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Umm, why did you make up the cure for AIDS, it's impossible to cure, even now there isn't a way to make your cells destroy HIV, because they can't kill it. Only Stem Cell Research would work, so can you explain where that came from? Thanks, TimeMaster Talk Main Contribs 23:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

First of all, nothing is impossible to cure. Secondly, it is a real world conspiracy theory that the United States government discovered the cure to AIDS in 1987 but hid it so that the healthcare system could profit off of all the treatments people required to survive. To eradicate a virus like AIDS would result in the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars or more in income. The conspiracy says the U.S. has the cure and keeps it hidden for this reason. There is some evidence of an AIDS cure as reports of certain key rich people being cured of the disease such as the Magic Johnson incident. United Planets 23:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * All Vaccines prepare people for a virus. If White Blood Cells devours a HIV virus, they are destroyed because HIV attacks WBC.  Therefore they must invent a stem cell that can create a cell that can defeat HIV viruses.  Anyway, why are you believing the idiotic conspiracies? Thanks, TimeMaster Talk Main Contribs 00:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to agree that it's idealistically ridiculous, but since faster-than-light travel, weapons that are built to "split spaceships in half" and Cancer cures seem more the norm than the oddity, there isn't any point arguing 'bout it, right? Best thing to do is just to improve on it and make it of some use.  Sun Ling 00:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * HIV cures: Conspiracy won't do it for me. At least show some research, America doesn't go "Heh, heh.  I won't show anybody I have a cure! :P". Thanks, TimeMaster Talk Main Contribs 00:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The realisticness of Future World is definiteley debateable. New Germany is just going along with it all because I don't want to be left out and picked on by inter-galactic empires. The best way to fight a tank is with another tank, or an RPG, not a machine gun. Richmondappleeater 01:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Taken From Wikipedia:

"In Berlin, Germany, a 42-year-old leukemia patient infected with HIV for more than a decade was given an experimental transplant of bone marrow with cells that contained an unusual natural variant of the CCR5 cell-surface receptor. This CCR5-Δ32 variant has been shown to make some cells from people who are born with it resistant to infection with some strains of HIV. Almost two years after the transplant, and even after the patient reportedly stopped taking antiretroviral medications, HIV has not been detected in the patient's blood."

There are other reports since the 1980s of people who have been cured of AIDS. It just shows that an AIDS cure is not ridiculous. United Planets 18:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Sounds a bit fishy, but Ok.  Anyway, why does it have to be in the US? Thanks, TimeMaster Talk Main Contribs 20:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed...there have been cases of people who have naturally overcome AIDS, vaccine or not, and to cure something like cancer or AIDS and to design the "silver bullet" is going to be difficult to say the least, nevermind Bird Flu. And someone explain to me Freeze Bombs.  While apparently the "test" worked, it still seems kind of ridiculous that it could be enacted on such a massive scale on an uncontrolled environment.  Same as Richmond in New Germany, we're just playing along and making stuff too so that we don't get put behind.  You allegedly use Alien Technology--and yet it appears that in the rules you don't allow communication at all with human races or even mutated humans--and mutated humans and ESP have been conspiracy theories for way longer than Aliens.  Could we at least either make this completely conspiracy theory-oriented or completely sane?  The middle ground seems a little too shaky for my taste.  Sun Ling 22:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

You're going to have to ask Sepctor (The Imperial Nation of Siberia) about the freeze bomb thing, he invented it. And I said you can't have contact, communication or alliances with alien races because it's ridiculously unfair and just going too far. I believe the U.S. has alien technology and uses it on experimental aircraft and in reality if we were to actually use it publically rather than hide it, the world and Future World would be quite similar. ESP, psychics, etc are real, I said nothing against it. But you can't have X Men/mutants/Super Heroes, etc because that is just insanely silly. The line gets drawn somewhere to prevent ridiculous game play. And remember it is "Future World" so why not add some futuristic details to it? United Planets 00:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * But aren't ESPs and Psychics essentially mutants? (Though I do agree with the Superhero thing).  If the US is capable of using Alien Technology and if further communication is impossible, doesn't the US have a monopoly on ALL Alien Technology?  The ability to somehow remove all the enmity the average terrorist, Iraqi and Afghani has, the immediate removal of their intelligence to allow them to be defeated in weeks, and the capture of Osama Bin Ladin, someone who, droid or not, has managed to evade capture for 8 years, all seem to be pushing it, nevermind silver bullet cures and AIDS vaccines.  In an insurgent situation, there is no such thing as "winning", and to suggest that inhuman robots can win the hearts and minds of people who 5 years on still have not been convinced that flesh-and-bloods are benevolent is still a little wierd.  Sun Ling 01:23, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Psychics aren't mutants. They didn't mutate or super evolve or some weird stuff. They are just people with higher brain function. The United States isn't the only country to have reported captured UFOs. Russia has them as well I'm sure. Everything I'm doing is not outside the realm of possibility. Osama was captured because Everett invaded Pakistan. Should the United States invade Pakistan, Osama will be captured. It's simple as that. I didn't remove anyone's intelligence. I have no idea what you're talking about. And you keep talking about silver bullets. Where did that come from? United Planets 01:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Osama was in Afghanistan, we invaded it and came out empty handed, how do you expect to be able to do the same in Pakistan, a nation just as uncontrollable due to the geographical disparities that made Afghanistan difficult to control at any thing more than a regional level. Osama isn't quite lounging out in Islamabad sipping on Goat milk ice cream and enjoying the sun. To suggest that Osama could be captures just like that when we couldn't do it in America for at least 3 years (while Osama remained in Afghanistan) is an insult to the intelligence of a man who, as evil as he may be, is far from stupid and has managed to evade detection. That Everett, with a group of robots, could do in several months what the US took at LEAST 3 years is an insult to not only the intelligence of Al-quaeda, but also that of the US Armed forces as a whole. As in Silver Bullet Cures, I mean medicines that can cure anything. As in AIDS vaccines. As in, as your representative in Everett said, getting "all cancer cures by the end of the year". As advanced as Everett no doubt is in somehow managing to totally crush its former currency AND currencies that were far stronger (such as the Pound) and to utterly remove its debt in the matter of years while still maintaining an army of robots, creating a sophisticated space program and fighting multiple wars in Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Pakistan, neither America, nor Cascadia, nor Taiping, nor Everett nor any of these nations are Gods. As for psychics--to evolve to a "higher brain function", or even to unlock a part of the mind that already existed but was inaccessible, isn't that evolution? Sun Ling 01:13, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I think you need to calm down. United Planets 10:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm perfectly calm. Prove me wrong. The fact that Everett did in weeks what the US couldn't do in months--is that not only a slightly unrealistic event, but an insult to both the intelligence of Al Quaeda (which, as much as we may hope otherwise, is not made out of idiots if it has managed to evade the US In Afghanistan for years) and the Intelligence of the USA? Though this IS the Future World, people shouldn't be any less intelligent on the site than in the real world. In pushing forwards advances that would not occur for the next few decades, I think we're taking a step towards the decidedly unrealistic. Sun Ling 19:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * And your HDI is extremely high, impossibly high practically. And your managing to handle only fusion power?  No Solar, Wind, Tidal, etc?  Sun Ling is right.  And my Gini rate is way too low.  A bit lower than Denmark's. Thanks, TimeMaster Talk Main Contribs 19:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

What does capturing Osama have to do with AIDS cures? Should the United States invade Pakistan, we will capture Osama. I've already said this. The fact that Everett has droids and launched a suprise attack against Pakistan left Osama unable to flee the region like when the US announced its invasion of Afghanistan, giving him plenty of time to flee. He was located, cornered and captured. The AIDS cure exists in reality. The Germany incident among many other reportedly cured patients proves that there is something floating around not being released to the public. A vaccine is not unrealistic. In reality, the U.S. has been experimenting with alien technology since 1947 and began flying their own craft in the 70's, using anti-gravity and other alien power sources. So, Everett gets it's hands on this technology and releases it publically rather than hiding it. We have the technology now. The government is just trying to hide it. More and more people are coming out, speaking about the truth.

My HDI is high because of the sudden economic boost from diagold technology, something also realistic. In reality, in 2007, a company discovered how to manufacture and produce gold. Synthetic diamonds are made all the time. So Diagold is nothing unrealistic. Diagold boosted Everett's economy, giving it the ability to pay off it's debt and re-develop it's infrastructure as well as repair the damage in Haiti and Everett's Mexican territories. That's why the HDI is so high. And yes, Everett only has fusion power plants because of the efficieny, cleanliness and power they have.

I'm not going to argue anymore over ridiculous things. There are plenty of things I can pick out about yours and other nations as well. United Planets 20:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Gold + Diamond= 1.1 times the value of both. Nothing else to say, Diagold is not worth 96 times Diamond, and that's that.  And why didn't anyone else make something similar?  And why would we capture Osama if we invade Pakistan?  He'd just go somewhere else!  The AIDS cure does not exist in reality, that's conspiracy, for the Germnay incident, see what Sun Ling said.  In reality, the US is trying, but hasn't gotten to contact aliens yet.  And how do you know the US is hiding all of this stuff? Conspiracy.  And Fusion power costs way too much, anyway, it wasn't even invented until like 2005, and costs billion and billions of dollars. Thanks, TimeMaster Talk Main Contribs 20:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The diagold page says 45 times worth but either way whether it's worth 45 or with 1.1, Everett produced enough to pay off it's debt, etc, etc. It's up to other players to do so, the technology exists. Too bad if you don't like my country capturing Osama bin Laden, don't play. Osama is not invincible and he is not some super, invisible, uncatchable genius. The AIDS cure exists. Sun Ling didn't say anything about it by the way, so I don't know what you're talking about. And the U.S. possesses alien technology. We aren't in direct contact with them but we are in possession of crashed UFO's and have managed to reverse engineer their technology. It has not been released to the public. Ex-military officials are coming out about this, telling about these facts. Thousands of people have seen these craft flying in and out of military bases and hundreds of millions across the planet have seen UFOs and even aliens themselves for thousands of years. It isn't conspiracy. Again, I am not going to argue over this. If you don't like it, don't play. I am not disturbing your nation by capturing Osama or releasing the AIDS cure. United Planets 21:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Where did you get the AIDS cure from? It simply doesn't exist?  And Sun Ling did say things about it.  And the U.S. does have alien technology, but have never contacted them.    And we don't have crashed UFOs.  And why does Everett get all the goodies with future world?  Why not some other random country like the U.S?  And why would Everett release them to the public? Thanks, TimeMaster Talk Main Contribs 21:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The AIDS cure was discovered either by Germany recently or by the United States a decade ago. It exists but isn't being released for some reason. Many people believe it's because of healthcare profits. I never said the U.S. contacted aliens. We do have crashed UFOs though, the Roswell incident for example and there are at least several others. Everett does not have all the "goodies". What "goodies"? Everett is not a corrupt nation like the U.S., that is why it is releasing everything to the public. It is Everetti law to not hide things from the people. United Planets 21:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Goodies mean a country is getting all the things people consider good. Germany doesn't get very much healthcare income, but it has higher taxes.  And how is the U.S. corrupt? Thanks, TimeMaster Talk Main Contribs 21:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The U.S. government is heavily corrupted. You must not be from the United States. United Planets 21:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It's recovering. . . Bush corrupted it, those republicans like him are so dumb. Thanks, TimeMaster Talk Main Contribs 21:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, Bush simply was a horrible person to take the reins at a horrible time. We have to remember that Republicans are very good at fostering an already-good economy (Reagan) though they are also horrible at dealing with problems due to their ideology.  While we can go blame Bush for doing nothing now, we certainly weren't blaming him or his father when the Economy was doing great and he was doing nothing.  Sun Ling 22:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * And, as for United's suggestions about invading Pakistan and capturing Osama: please don't say exactly the same thing as you did again when you simply wrote off my rebuttal by saying I need to calm down. Osama was in Afghanistan, we invaded it and came out empty handed, how do you expect to be able to do the same in Pakistan, a nation just as uncontrollable due to the geographical disparities that made Afghanistan difficult to control at any thing more than a regional level?  For one thing, Pakistan has a larger border and just as many mountainous regions as Afghanistan.  Osama had nowhere to go in Afghanistan and yet he managed to last it out in his hidey hole.  Osama isn't quite lounging out in Islamabad sipping on Goat milk ice cream and enjoying the sun waiting for us to just go and corner him.  To suggest that Osama could be captures just like that when we couldn't do it in America for at least 3 years (while Osama remained in Afghanistan) is an insult to the intelligence of a man who, as evil as he may be, is far from stupid and has managed to evade detection.  Though the Pakistani government would be fairly ineffective at finding Osama as he is now, Osama is not an idiot who would lower his guard in Pakistan, what with Americans going over the border for raids every other day.  To simply launch "a suprise attack against Pakistan" (which, mind you, is a part of the UN and is essentially being invaded) would not just make "Osama [incapable] of flee[ing] the region."  Osama was CONFIRMED to have been in Afghanistan for at least 3 years after the US entered Afghanistan, he didn't run then.  There were close calls, but for god's sakes we had our eyes, ears, nostrils and spidey senses all tingling for Osama and yet he still managed to get out under your nose.  Put in a bunch of slightly uncreative robots who cannot even count on local collaboration or intelligence (considering it was local reports that forced Osama in some of his close calls) and you expect to simply "corner" and capture Osama?  You're right, he's not a genius, and he's not invincible, but your thinking is identical to that of the US military in Vietnam: put bigger guns on 'em and they'll get the job done.  The US put in thousands of soldiers into Iraq who could actually meet people, cooperate, and talk, and only now are they getting the results of their investment.  In putting in Robots who are obviously inhuman, are difficult to trust and are bluntly unimaginative, how can you expect to get more results and faster?  I'm not saying it's impossible for him to be caught, but at least you should be realistic about how he's caught.

As for the AIDS cure, simply that it works on one person does not mean it will work on everyone and indeed, there have been cases of simply Placebo effects causing AIDS to be cured, the Germany Incident is nothing to speak of. A vaccine IS unrealistic. As for the aliens, if they are so intelligent as to create anti-gravity and the like, why were they not even intelligent enough to create some way of encrypting their data?

As for simply "producing enough to pay off your debt": and what, suddenly Everett doesn't need to import anything? Where do you get the materials for building your droids and your brand new shiny fusion engines, or even food? Everett controls the industrial east of America, not the bread basket of the midwest, and to change cities back into farms is no small thing to do, and indeed would take longer and more money, putting Everett more INTO debt than out of it before getting back any recovery. America nowadays is at a trade deficit, importing more than it exports. Now, with a small, densely populated area with fewer food sources, does it seem realistic that suddenly you export more than you import with fewer resources? And let's not forget you were spending that time building droids and changing everything over to fusion power, (something I won't argue on, but of which can apparently produced power for the rest of your life) To overcome a deficit is not the matter of 4-5 years, especially with a nation such as Everett. The very fact that you have the strongest currency and yet you are the strongest economy suggests otherwise--if you are a strong economy with a strong currency, then you are importing a lot while exporting very little (since with your currency stronger, it would cost more for everybody else to buy your stuff). And if your import market is stronger than your export market, how are you allegedly "producing enough to pay off your debt" when you are trading at a deficit?

You say that you can pick out a lot about my nation--then go ahead, if I can't realistically rebut them, I'll remove 'em. While you can pick 'em out all you like, I don't need to pick out any unrealistic problems in Everett--all anyone has to do is stick his or her hand in and pick out almost anything he or she likes. Suggest the unrealistic parts of the Taiping Empire if you want, I'll be happy to answer your questions. Sun Ling 22:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)