Talk:Constitution of Atlion

Alright, let's get this started. I am gonna propose some basics which should be included somewhere:


 * Free speech is a national right
 * States decide what is the "state religion", however, nobody can be forced to abide by it or follow its practices - it's only a ceremonial thing.
 * States decide on LGBT rights, however, hate crimes are illegal on a national level, and civil unions are legal on a nation level.
 * President has no term limits.
 * Governors have no term limits.
 * Senate may amend the constitution only in cases of more than a third voting in favor.

More as time goes. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 21:03, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I want my state to handle to deal with religious rights the way it sees fit. I agree with the free speech, and I'm in favor of the limitless terms. Civil unions are a "meh", however, my constitution will only recognize marriage as between one man and one woman. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:08, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I believe that the constitution should only touch on the relation of the states to the national government. Civil rights, however, I believe should be handled by the states alone. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:12, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you read that wrong. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 21:20, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Indeed I did, thank you MC --Falloutfan08 (talk) 21:22, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Civil union were suggested to be legal on the national level. However, I feel that the states should decide that, not the nation itself. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:22, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Never mind then. :3 ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:23, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I think we aren't on the same page. I am saying that CIVIL UNIONS (i.e. not a religious marriage) cannot be denied to gay couples. Viva, that will be highly unlikely for states to make all the civil rights decisions. I may just as well have Apartheid in Broker then, and keep the Mormons, Catholics and Protestants in their own districts. BUT! We have our first issue here! Although this isn't IC yet, I think we need to get in the game of democracy. :) -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 21:25, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. While I am partial in regards to civil unions, I don't think it is beyond the state's ability to handle them. And I'm not to fond about the number of decisions needed to handle civil unions, since I thought it was just a yes or no thing. Regardless, I would be the man to say if a gay couple wants a civil union, they should get it in another state and return to their own. Kinda like the quicky marriages one get find in Las Vegas. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:36, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

This boils down to will you as the state give civil unions their benefits if they are gay? I am not too sure if civil unions to get any benefits, though. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 21:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

"...if a gay couple wants a civil union, they should get it in another state and return to their own." I believe thats what I said. I'm not going to force gays to flight to another state simply to get a civil union, but I'm not to going to my officials to provide them if they don't. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:41, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

My question remains the same: if they get the union in another state, and they return to your state, will the union still be valid? -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 21:44, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Absolutely. I'm not going to boot them out for that. All I ask is that the not get the civil union in Ixania. It'll still be valid upon return. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

States must have limitless jurisdiction over civil rights

 * IN FAVOR


 * AGAINST


 * -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 21:25, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * --Falloutfan08 (talk) 21:30, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 21:33, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * -Sunkist- (talk) 21:40, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:31, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 21:55, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 23:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:49, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * kkthxbai TS KITTYKAITI :3 :4 lol 00:47, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Free speech is a national right

 * IN FAVOR


 * -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 21:25, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * --Falloutfan08 (talk) 21:30, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:31, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 21:33, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * -Sunkist- (talk) 21:40, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 21:55, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 23:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:49, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 77topaz (talk) 04:06, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * kkthxbai TS KITTYKAITI :3 :4 lol 00:47, September 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * AGAINST

States decide on religious matters, however can FORCE nobody to abide by a certain religion or its practices

 * IN FAVOR


 * -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 21:25, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * --Falloutfan08 (talk) 21:30, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:31, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 21:33, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * -Sunkist- (talk) 21:40, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 21:55, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 23:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:49, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * kkthxbai TS KITTYKAITI :3 :4 lol 00:47, September 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * AGAINST

Limitless terms for elected officials (unlimited number of terms - not unlimited term length)

 * IN FAVOR


 * -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 21:25, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:31, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 22:09, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 23:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * kkthxbai TS KITTYKAITI :3 :4 lol 00:47, September 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * AGAINST


 * --Falloutfan08 (talk) 21:32, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 21:33, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:49, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * ABSTAIN


 * -Sunkist- (talk) 21:42, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Constitution can only be amended when 75% of the Senate votes in favor

 * IN FAVOR


 * -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 21:25, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 22:28, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:31, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 23:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * kkthxbai TS KITTYKAITI :3 :4 lol 00:47, September 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * AGAINST


 * (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 21:33, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * --Falloutfan08 (talk) 21:36, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:49, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * ABSTAIN


 * ​-Sunkist- (talk) 21:41, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Right To Bear Arms

 * IN FAVOR


 * Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 22:15, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 22:23, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * -Sunkist- (talk) 22:27, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:30, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 23:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * kkthxbai TS KITTYKAITI :3 :4 lol 00:47, September 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * AGAINST


 * ABSTAIN

COUNTER - States make gun laws/restrictions

 * -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 22:20, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:49, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Freedom of the Press

 * IN FAVOR


 * Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 22:15, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 22:20, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 22:23, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * -Sunkist- (talk) 22:28, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:31, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 23:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:49, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 77topaz (talk) 04:06, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * kkthxbai TS KITTYKAITI :3 :4 lol 00:47, September 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * AGAINST


 * ABSTAIN

Right to Protest/Assembly

 * IN FAVOR


 * Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 22:15, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 22:20, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 22:24, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * -Sunkist- (talk) 22:30, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 23:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:49, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 77topaz (talk) 04:06, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * kkthxbai TS KITTYKAITI :3 :4 lol 00:47, September 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * AGAINST


 * ABSTAIN


 * ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:31, September 5, 2012 (UTC)'''

Due Process/Justice
(Including right to remain silent, non-self incrimination, right to attorney, to fair trial, trial by jury, bail, restriction of inhumane punishment/treatment, innocent until proven guilty, warrants)


 * IN FAVOR


 * Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 22:15, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 22:20, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 22:24, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 23:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:49, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 77topaz (talk) 04:06, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * kkthxbai TS KITTYKAITI :3 :4 lol 00:47, September 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * AGAINST


 * -Sunkist- (talk) 22:37, September 5, 2012 (UTC)  Älskadeland would like to remains an Napoleonic Code of Guilty untill proven innocent, we do not seek to force this upon other states. But will abide to the laws of this congress if so (passed in favored of innocent until proven guilty) wished by the federal government.
 * ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 22:31, September 5, 2012 (UTC) That actually sounds much better than the current state of affairs.


 * ABSTAIN

Motion from the gentleman from Älskadeland
(If Premission if given from the Chair, but seeing as there is no leader currently..I'll just do this a pre-trial to how the system will work, and also to fix on the Civil Unions issue, as well with states following the law)

Senator ThorstenEgi (Älskadeland): ​"The State of Älskadeland would like to make a motion to lay on the table the bill of Civil Instructions Act which will declare as follow."


 * "Section One: All federal, state, county, city and civil institutions shall be enforced to abide to the Constitution, and shall not decline any obligated title. If the state, federal or any other civil institution that fails on it's duties as a representative for the Republic of Atlion shall face discharge, without paid leave. "
 * "Section Two: States inside the Atlion Republic shall not disobey the Constitution of Atlion in which all citizens inside the state of Atlion are given by. States constitutions may not override the constitution of Atlion, and may not make unreasonable or corruptible maneuvers to sway itself around the constitution in a manner seen dis-pleasurable by the people."

Senator Thorsten Egi (Älskadeland): "We'd ask the chair for a voice vote on the issue, I resume my time, and await the vote. Thank you chairman."

Senator Tenneh Ganda (Honorable Union of Ixania): "This oversteps the bounds of the national government, and completely ignores the will of the people who desire to follow the laws they voted for."

Senator ThorstenEgi (Älskadeland): "Mr. Chairman, I'd like to repose the time for the motion to tomorrow and also propose that the law be counted by ballot. I also like to open the chamber for debate, as suggested from the Senator from Ixania. Thank you chairman. Senator Ganda, I'd like to inform you, that we are a united republic, we are here to insure that all people in this entire nation are treated equally. The people voted to allow civil marriages inside the state, this has been already voted on, it is you and your state government that refuse to listen to the voice of the people, thus I have sumited this law to destroy any of these around about laws that would try and destroy this powerful union. "

Senator Tenneh Ganda (Honorable Union of Ixania): "I, my government, and my people are Ixanian. The Ixanian people voted to follow the laws regarding civil unions as they defined them. The voice of the Ixanian people regarding Ixanian laws is all the matters to them. Looking after the calls of a tiny, tiny minority to overturn the popular law of the majority is ridiculous. You would be alienating the industrial heart of Albion, and pushing the largest source of soldiers for Atlion's army away as the nation they seek to defend steps on their ability to voice their rights to choose the laws they follow. This is a republic, and the people of Ixania have spoken."

Senator ThorstenEgi (Älskadeland): "How would we even be effecting the economy of Ixanian, when..it's just between two people and a judge in a court room on a day when no trials are being taken place. No one is being effect by this, only the tiny minority of the people in the state are being effected, just let the people live happily. How does this even take anything into consideration with the military?"