Talk:Altverse

Effective December 14, 2014, all new applications must be done here. You must first register an account on the Conworld Wiki Forums before you may post. Sorry for the inconvenience! &#32;  JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32;


 * Totalitarian bureaucrat degree: Feel free to apply here. There is no reason not to apply on wiki. However, you can still apply there if you want. :o —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:23, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Requests
Please use this syntax to make applications easier and more organized so the Altverse community can process your application.

Your Nation's Name

 * Nation: Your Nation's Name
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:
 * Why you want to join: Explanation here
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: (Y/N)
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: (Y/N)
 * Other: Your additional comments here.

Excellent
Well shoot. It's nice to see some collaborative projects going on here on the wiki. I hope it goes well for you all. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:48, October 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It's still in its preliminary stage but hopefully it'll be going smoothly in about a month or so. :) &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 04:54, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Papua New Guinea
Since both the USC and Nedonesia are both claiming control over Papua New Guinea, I thought it would be interesting to set up a scenario between the two nations in which they are both 'in conflict' over this island. That is to say, the region is continuously under high tensions due to the military presence of both nation's militaries on PNG as well as the existance of several independent groups that are fighting for independence. Now I'm not sure of the entire logistics of the situation, but tell me what you all think because I believe it sounds pretty interesting.

Tempered Empire (talk) 15:43, October 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree that it would be pretty interesting but as of now, Sunkist and Osswix have worked this out on IRC with Papua going to the United Socialist Commonwealth. However, I will propose this idea to them. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 15:53, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

East Asia
Is Falloutfan08's East Asia part of the Altverse canon? I see it's marked on the map, but I don't see any mention of it in the sovereign states list nor on the current events list.

No its not sorry, I removed it and completely forgot about the map >.< Falloutfan08 ~ Talk ~ \o^o/ 16:00, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Wessex
May I ask if Wessex is part of Altverse? It is listed on the current affairs page but not anywhere else. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  17:12, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Yes sorry it is. I havent been very clear about that Falloutfan08 ~ Talk ~ \o^o/ 17:53, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Okay then. I'll ad it on the page then. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  19:54, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Request
I don't have any articles yet. However, I do really like this project you have here and if I can, would like to become a part of it. Once I do make the nation I have in my mind, to whom do I make the request to? Is there an certain individual to whom I make the formal request, or do I just post it on this talk page? AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 16:51, November 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * Posting the idea here would be fine. What nation did you have in mind? --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  17:16, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

It would basically be a Nordic Union, encampassing Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Greenland, and maybe a small touch of Canada. (though I can live without it) I have yet to come up with a formal name. Too many options in my head right now. AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 20:06, November 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * Seems interesting. I'd advise you to make a nation page, and then we can see if it is suitable or not. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  20:45, November 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * I would be happy to assist you in creating a nation page for your union. It sounds very interesting to collaborate with and I am eager to hear your ideas. You've come to the right place! &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 23:41, November 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * That would be awesome if you did. I'm no stranger to wikia, (I'm an admin of another wikia, though it's kinda dead right now) but it would be nice to get some tips and help. I'm very open minded at the moment, so any suggestions or changes I might need to make to fit into the Altverse I will gladly take into consideration. --AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 03:53, November 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * That's excellent--this will only speed up the process in allowing you to create an article. The first thing in line to put on your page is this template which will help you fill out the essential information of your nation. After that, write your introduction which should contain the name, government, location, population, a brief explanation regarding its economy, and a summary of its history. From there, you can create sections dedicated to each specific topic--the very same you'd expect on a Wikipedia article. Typically, "Etymology" is the first section followed by history. From there, the ordering is up to the reader. Some go first to "government and politics", others to "geography", or even "demographics". I am fairly confident that you already know some of the things I mention but I wanted to just make sure. And as always, always feel free to take a look at other pages here (particularly Altverse or those on the feature page to get a sense of what is expected. Generally, so long as your nation's history has not deviated so far from the real world's history until up to this point, it'll be fine. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 13:42, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Joining
How can i join Altverse?.


 * For now, literally just asking is all that it takes. Granted, this will mean you will have to agree with the rules it has now and add a few "meta" pages along the way. As long as your nation's history until modern times would not drastically deviate from the real world's history, you're all set. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 13:42, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Joining request
*Nation: Islamic Kingdom of Persia --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  03:19, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:
 * Why you want to join: I already have a couple of nations in Altverse, yet I do have a lot of time on my hands and want to include this nation.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes.
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Of course.
 * Other: It has a different history to Iran; however its current position is the same as it is today as the isolated state of in the Middle East.


 * I'm all in favor for it. No objections. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 00:28, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

As there are no objections I shall add this nation in. If someone does chime in with one I will address it and act accordantly. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  01:13, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

I'm longer feeling Persia, so I'm removing it. Instead I will nominate: --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  21:45, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nation: Socialist Republic of the Congo
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:
 * Why you want to join: I already have a couple of nations in Altverse, yet I do have a lot of time on my hands and want to include this nation.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes.
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Of course.

Brazil

 * Nation: Empire of Brazil
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: and
 * Why you want to join: I think that Brazil is too important to be out of Altverse.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: No exactly.
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes.
 * Other: The history of Brazil will be similar to the its history in the real world, but without that occurred the proclamation of the republic.

Cheers! -- Cunha 21:59, November 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * I see nothing wrong at this at all and welcome back! :) &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 00:28, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

It seems interesting and a worthy addition to the universe. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  00:35, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

As there are no objections I shall add this nation in. If someone does chime in with one hopefully Cunha will address it and act accordantly. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  01:13, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Hey guys, I'm alive (only very, very busy). When I have more free time, I'll return to the creation of the Empire of Brazil. -- Cunha 23:15, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Scandinavia

 * Nation: Kingdom of Scandinavia
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:, , , , , and
 * Why you want to join: I've always been interested in world building and this seems like a good starting point.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Not yet.
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes.
 * Other: Due to its unified status, it will have a different history to it's real life counterparts.

AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 20:05, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * I completely forgot about this application but I have already implied my support on your talk page and I will get around to helping you soon. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 05:53, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Emishi nation
Yeah, could somebody help me come up with an Emishi-ish nation? The logic would be that after the Japanese drove them out of their homeland perhaps they settled elsewhere. I'm quite tempted to make this Emishi nation for some strange reason, but have no idea where to put it (other than "somewhere in Asia"), what to call it, and then there's constructing the language for it........ yeah, anybody got any ideas? - Zabuza825 (talk) 23:46, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe they had a former nation in China before it was annexed (like Tibet) maintaining a province in China. Or they have a federal state in Russia, perhaps on the island of Sakhalin? --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  00:18, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe Jilin and Heilongjang (minus Jagedaqi) in Manchuria and Khasansky Distric (Primorsky Krai, Russia) plus that part of Sovetsky Rayon near Khasansky. Problem being that those parts of Russia are currently Danguk and Sakhalin (if I choose to use it) is currently East Asia. - Zabuza825 (talk) 01:29, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that of the three areas closest to Japan (Russia, Korea and China) all kinda prohibit independent states in their territory. China and Russia in the past where very happy to annexe as much as they could and after the collapse of the USSR I don't see Russia being to keen to give up any former territories. Korea is currently part of East Asia and China at the most will give you a bit of autonomy at the most. Of course, this nation doesn't have to be for Altverse and you can put where evr you want. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  02:01, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I don't really see this as a nation that gains independence from Russia or China, more one that historically was independent (albiet heavily influenced by China). Similar to ancient Korea's relationship to China. - Zabuza825 (talk) 02:21, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Danube Federation
.IrishPatriot (talk) 19:15, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nation: Danube Federation
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Austria, Hungary, Croatia, east Lombardy
 * Why you want to join: I am interested with Altverse and ConWorlding (Worldbuilding)
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply all rules and policies?: Yes


 * A possible second Austro-Hungarian Empire maybe? :) I'm eager to see how this will turn out. I'm for it. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 05:40, November 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Though I would prefer a bit more info on the nation before saying "yes", let it be known that at the moment my answer is NOT a "no". - Zabuza825 (talk) 07:01, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

If this will be accepted j will make a page for it, just waiting. IrishPatriot (talk) 08:03, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Texas
(GreatEmperor (talk) 03:24, November 20, 2014 (UTC))
 * Nation: Republic of Texas
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:, specifically , portions of , , ,
 * Why you want to join: I have always wanted to build a nation in a proper timeline
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Not yet.
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes.
 * Other: Texas remains independent following the and grows to become a sovereign nation in North America. Texas may have conflicting borders with the Kingdom of Sierra, however I will be more than happy to change that.


 * Ah yes! Finally someone in North America! Based on your claims, none of the places you've mentioned conflict with that of Sierra's. We will collaborate further on the extent of Sierra's and Texas' intertwined histories. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 05:53, November 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Might be interesting to see what interactions Akitsu and Texas might have...... oh wait, sorry got sidetracked. My answer is yes. - Zabuza825 (talk) 07:36, November 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * My only concern is how will this affect the US economic status if large area's of land are not in their hands? Surly their status as a superpower would be more contested? Because if so, then history from 1945-present would be drastically different. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  08:16, November 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * You raise a good point, but my counter-point to that would be that without Hawaii and those parts of the pacific that is in Sierra in US hands post-1945 history, or at least WW2, would be hugely different. Not saying Japan would have won, but it would have taken the US a hell of a lot more effort to get their island hopping campaign working. Not to mention that without the large US naval bases in California the US naval presence in the Pacific probably would have been diminished, even if other bases in other states (namely Washington and Oregon) are made larger. So yeah, somehow I doubt that Texas would be the reason why we have to rework post-1945 history. Maybe A reason, but definitely not the sole reason, it's probably something we should be doing regardless of whether or not Texas becomes part of Altverse. - Zabuza825 (talk) 08:30, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair point, although the biggest tipping point for WWII was the invasion of the Soviet Union overall. It may be worth on the East Asia and Sierra articles to explain the spark that set the Americans off that caused them to join WWII. As for Texas, it looks like a great addition, although maybe some sort of economic union between it and the US could be feasible. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  17:03, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Columbia

 * Nation: Empire of Columbia
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Unclaimed portions of the and, , , , , , , the , and other claimed Pacific islands territories. (claims on the main page)
 * Why you want to join: Always loved world-building, and this seems like a better starting point than my previous entry.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Not yet
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other: It will have a similar history to the United States, especially before the real world Spanish American War. This is a much easier country to write, too, since I am more familiar with the history.

--AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 06:41, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * I vouch for this. Just a note though that Sierra controls Kiribati and all of the US Minor Outlying Islands (save for Midway Island). All of the other claims are fine so long as you explain how they would be acquired (Spanish-American War). &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 21:29, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't know if it's too late for this but I would like to say something about this at the least. While I am not fundamentally opposed to the inclusion of this nation, I do have a few things I want clarified.


 * First and foremost, that's a massive amount of land. A tad more than I'm comfortable with, but if the other guys don't see an issue with this then it isn't my place to complain, so what do you guys think?


 * Secondly, and more importantly, the name "Columbia" is extremely similar to one used by an IRL nation (see Colombia). Unless that nation doesn't exist in Altverse (to my knowledge it exists, but I admit I could be wrong) this could cause some confusion (much like Congo and the DR Congo). What do you guys think? As a side note, I didn't object to the Altverse Congo specifically because it's merely someone taking control of an RL nation (albiet with a slightly different history and government). - Zabuza825 (talk) 07:47, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I am also not opposed to it. However a few things I do think that needs to be said is that with using the US you will probably have to use much of the same history and foreign policy decisions - otherwise the world would change. So the more questionable acts of America (eg. CIA Cold War shenanigans) should've still happened. Also when roleplaying in the Second Cold War remember your nation may make some more questionable decisions, so as to not make this thing one sided (this is true with Europe and whoever roleplays Russia/China). Your full commitment will also be needed, as as the sole superpower you will be doing a lot, and people may have to roleplay in your stead at times (with your permission/notification of course). The land thing isn't an issue, but there may be some ethnic tensions as the Native American genocide didn't happen. The Colombia thing also isn't so much of a problem - yours may be shorthanded the EoC, EC, or the Empire while Colombia would be the RoC, or RC. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  08:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

You all have my full permission to RP as this country if I am not around, assuming it becomes a part of this project. I have no objections whatsoever. If you guys reject this idea for any reason, I would not object as well. I could always play as another, smaller country, or the real world United States.--AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 05:42, December 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * I would prefer if you chose what you believed would be best (and funnest) for your own sake (Columbia or the RL United States) but if the case points toward the United States, it will be much easier to integrate into Altverse, especially into the current situation. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 05:51, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

You know what, I think the RL United States would be best (and easiest) for everyone. Since it is a RL nation, everyone can sort of put forth their own ideas and not one person would really 'control' it, per-se. That doesn't mean I won't be participating, but I don't want to flip the world on it's head since it is a pretty far-fetched idea. --AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 05:56, December 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * With this then being the case (since this method of handling the United States has been done here already), I have no more objections. Anyone else still with objections? &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 06:00, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

I meant to add at the end 'I don't want to flip the world on it's head since Columbia is a pretty far-fetched idea'. --AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 06:03, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

New wiemer republic
nation: new wiemer republic

nation Irl:germany and easten poland

why i what to join: i love have my own nation and if you see pass my ADHD and my views im a good guy

do agree on the rules: yes

other:i a master on nations king Trevor 1 of wales (talk) 21:49, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * First off, how old are you? &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 21:57, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

No as it makes references to articles not part of Altverse. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  01:51, November 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * The general consensus is a resounding NO from the majority of the Altverse community as expressed on the wiki chat and IRC these past few days. If you keep on trying to deliberately add your country or otherwise temper with our pages without expressive consent, you will be reported for vandalism. If you want to work things out, please do so in a civil manner on the chat. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 18:51, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Proposal System
After recently looking at Falloutfan08's European People's Federation and its implication on other users countries (Lecrotia, Albion, Gaul, and my personal project, Kamenia), I am wondering if we could actually put something similar to a 'proposal system' in place for Altverse. That is to say; can we have a template or two that actually confirms whether a nation is simply a proposal (like those for 1983: Doomsday over on the Althistory Wiki), or is a fully fledged, accepted state (and history) that exists in the 'Altverse universe'.

Tempered Empire (talk) 07:07, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

I am actually going to severely reduce its territory after consideration to just be in North Western Europe considering the implications it would have. I already have assurances from Bowow about Albion and Gaul. I apologise --Falloutfan08 ~ Talk ~ \o^o/ 08:42, November 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, you raise a good point--I'll put up the link to the template you're referring to soon. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 18:48, November 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Here it is. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 22:45, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Emilia

 * Nation: People's Republic of Emilia
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:
 * Why you want to join: Applying because I'd like to replace Lecrotia with Emilia, making Altverse a bit more plausible.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other: Modern history is inspired by Westland's, and more or less similar to OTL history, but with little to no Italian interference. -- 17:52, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Seeing how it is a replacement of a nation in an area that has not been claimed, I would argue this by de facto should be included. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  17:59, November 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * I have expressed my approval on IRC. &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 18:46, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

No

 * Nation: Slavic Hungary
 * Real world Countries and land claimed:Hungary And Slovakia
 * why i want to join:becuse it will be fun
 * Have i read everything concerning altverse: yes
 * do i agree on the rules:yes
 * Other: i will be at this
 * Ohbobsaggat (talk) 17:43, December 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's obvious you're just a of Kingtrevor11. Don't even think about bringing your other account, Dev271 either. You're not welcome. &#32;  Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 05:50, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

South Europe

 * Nation: South European Federation
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Romania, Moldava, Bulgaria and Macedonia
 * Why you want to join: i have made several country requests for Altverse, but [i] thought the [countries] were [too] implausible.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies: Yes
 * Other:


 * I have no problems other than which side would your country align itself in the context of this? &#32; Sierraball.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 05:08, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the SCO, the country is Socialist too.--IrishPatriot (talk) 11:55, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Liang Empire
The Liang Empire humbly requests acceptance in joining Altverse.


 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: China


 * Why you want to join: It's the only active collaborative project


 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse: Yes


 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies: Yes

Samzkrenz (talk) 06:20, December 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think that the Liang Empire is an interesting premise and I ask you this: would you be willing to RP Liang Empire aggressively as the People's Republic of China in real life? It would side with in the Second Cold War and be hostile to the West (the  and Sierra) as well as socialist Eurasia. &#32;  Ryuko by Tasselcat.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 06:30, December 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * While on a basic level I am not opposed to this (might actually be interesting) I have a few MAJOR concerns.


 * First off, we currently have China playing an integral part of the Second Cold War, unless you intend on taking on the role China has I'm not sure how it would go. We could have China still exist with Liang controlling the southern regions of China (Guandong, Guanxi, Hong Kong, Macau, and Hainan maybe?), but that would require you to give up a substantial amount of land (which I'm not sure you're willing to do).


 * Secondly, and to me personally more importantly, you claim Taiwan (or at least you do on that map of yours on the wiki page), which I have claimed as Akitsu. Well, I want to know the basis of that claim is. I have changed history when making Akitsu, and Akitsu was never part of China in this new version of history. So, if you claim Taiwan (and by extension Akitsu) as part of China then you could contradict the entire history that I have written.


 * Again, on a basic level I am not opposed, but until these concerns are addressed I won't say yes. - Zabuza825 (talk) 07:54, December 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * My concern is how Liang worked in the last Cold War? The Chinese support of communism especially in south East Asia was massive and their ties to Russia are a result of their former alliance before the Sino-Soviet split. That and the massive legacy of Mao whose ideas have spurred on movements across the world would be completely negated. Unless Liang as Zabuza suggested exists in the southern regions? It could be an idea. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  15:05, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Commonwealth of Britannia
--Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  02:09, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: England, Scotland and Wales (minus Westland)
 * Why you want to join: To represent the UK as Bowwow does not want to spend extensive time on wikia.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies: Yes
 * Notes: I know I have several nations "on the go" - however this will more serve as an RP player allied to Westland. I will aim o commit to it as much as my other nation.


 * I support this–I can also verify that Bowwow has indeed expressed explicitly several times that he does not currently have any interest in roleplaying/collaborating at this time. We need someone to fill in Britain and a country to support Westland. &#32; Ryuko by Tasselcat.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 02:11, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Im alright with this however im not sure Westland would have the best relations but we'll see - Falloutfan08 (on a different computer)


 * Its more an alliance of benefits I was thinking of. The Commonwealth is probably a tad to socially right wing for Westland, but it will probably have friendly relations regarding economic policy and non-communist socialism. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  17:01, December 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * No major objections from me, though I do hope to see Bowwow come back eventually even if he doesn't take back Albion. - Zabuza825 (talk) 12:35, December 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * As there are no objections I will add it in now; however if their is one I will pull it off and address said objection. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  08:10, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Hellas

 * Nation: Hellas
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: (specifically, the counties of Berat, Fier, Gjirokastër, Korçë, and Vlorë),  (specifically, the provinces of Blagoevgrad, Pazardzhik, Smolyan, Plovdiv, Kardzhali, Haskovo, Stara Zagora, Sliven, Yambol, and Burgas),  (the part not controlled by Kurdistan),
 * Why you want to join: I find this rather fun. It's challenging, which I like.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Mostly everything. Still need to read up on some history of different countries.
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Of course.
 * Other: This is my last entry. I'll try my hardest. Also, I would like to have Hellas and Kurdistan to have an unstable relationship because Hellas claims areas owned by Kurdistan, which would make for some interesting scenarios and situations.

--AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 05:29, December 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * I have no objections and would also like to how the relationship between Hellas and Kurdistan will turn out (especially over ). &#32; Ryuko by Tasselcat.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 05:31, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * More fun with Kurdish relations means I'm up for it. However, shouldn't Greece be in here, rather then say Macedonia or Bulgaria? --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  21:43, December 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Forgot to add Greece as a country. My bad. AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 06:21, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no further objections. The territory is of Greece, Macedonia, and Cyprus right? As I might as well add it to the map. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  19:42, December 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * As well as parts of Albania and Bulgaria. I named the specific provinces so it shouldn't be too difficult. --AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 20:00, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Kingdom of Lanna

 * Nation: Kingdom of Lanna
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:
 * Why you want to join: I've been on Conworld for awhile but I haven't worked on my first conworld, Republic of the Draguan Islands, lately because I wanted to start something new. Then I found out that Altverse had just started, and it seemed to be very promsing.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Most of it
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other: While the Kingdom of (Lan Na) was an actual kingdom in Southeast Asia (in modern-day Thailand, to be precise), I came with the idea for an mass exodus of the kingdom to the yet uncolonized Philippines and start a new kingdom there when I was playing Europa Universalis IV with the country sitting between big warmongering kingdoms. For now I've kept the flag and name of the actual kingdom, but I'll change it if it's not allowed to use past nations in Altverse.

--Warphead (talk) 20:20, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Although its not a no, an article would be nice to see beforehand please. Even if its an infobox and a few paragraphs. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  21:49, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Will do! I wasn't sure whether I had to request the country first or create the page itself. --Warphead (talk) 22:16, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Done, but it's only an infobox for the moment. --Warphead (talk) 22:50, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * I see nothing wring with it, although obvious expansion would be nice. I give my approval at the moment --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  23:04, December 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * I already expanded some, but more will come. Do I have to add my name and nation to the Altverse page now, or will that be done by someone else?-- Warphead (talk) 23:37, December 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * I also express my support for this--seeing that the majority of active community has voiced their approval (Zabuza825) saying so on chat, you have permission to add your nation. Welcome! :) &#32; Ryuko by Tasselcat.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 00:56, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Altverse!
Give a big round of applause for Kingtrevor11 (as Trevor XI) who is now finally part of Altverse! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) &#32;  JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 05:04, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Oh god no, is this official? anyway, http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/User%3APittsburgh45 is Kingtrevor, i know this because he came back on Althistory Wiki. so ban the sockpuppet. --IrishPatriot (talk) 07:44, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Canada

 * Nation: Canada
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Canada
 * Why you want to join: Because Fallout can take Albion and Gaul
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
 * Other: Free maple syrup if accepted

&#32;  Bowwow | Talk | Albion-Gaul  &#32; 07:14, December 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Technically, Albion and Gaul are Dog of War but that's alright. Just remember to create a page and you have my support :^) &#32; Ryuko by Tasselcat.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32;


 * Ah, I get you all confused still. Okey I'll make Canada's page. Totes will not copy + paste from Wikipedia :>

&#32;  Bowwow | Talk | Albion-Gaul  &#32; 07:20, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Germany
Federal Republic of Germany

Germany,Austria,Eastern Polish territories(see Country)

I think there needs to be a Germany, I also want to lead a nation in a realistic world

Yes I have read everything concerning altverse

DevDev271 (talk) 07:37, January 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * I say no as the official timeline states that the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, and thus the fall of communism around the same time. Also large portions of the page have been copied and pasted from wikipedia. At least paraphrase the information --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  07:43, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Morochan People's Republic

 * Nation: Morochan People's Republic
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: parts of Southern Ukraine, parts of Eastern Hungary ,small portion of Romania
 * Why you want to join: To experience conworld geopolitics
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
 * Other: ?

Confederate States
( United Republic 17:01, January 24, 2015 (UTC))
 * Nation: Confederate States
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: US States of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma (with portions removed), and Cuba.
 * Why you want to join: I want my nation to be part of a greater project
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other: The Confederate States wins the War of Secession (American Civil War) after the British intervene in 1862.


 * I have a few problems with the extent of Confederate States' powers in terms of international relations (it being a superpower) as well as how early was ended. Seeing that the Southern United States was largely agrarian pre-Civil War, with their victory of the Civil War (and thus, avoidance of the Reconstruction), I couldn't see the South so readily strike down slavery and convert into an industrial society in a short time lapse. Of course, I could see the Confederate States in modern days become a regional power but I'd suggest downplaying the CS' involvement in World War II (assisting in the Manhattan Project is fine) and its direct involvement with the nuclear bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Beyond that, I think having the CS in Altverse would be interesting. &#32;  Ryuko by Tasselcat.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 21:47, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Justin. My other points may be that the CS should join both WWI and WWII around the time the USA did - partly because it may mean the wars won't end quickly, partly because for most nations at the time they were seen as European conflicts (especially WWI). Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but confederacy never claimed sovereignty over Cuba, which was part of the Spanish empire. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  22:03, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

My main issue is the fact that, without the south, the US would probably have never been a super power. A great power, yes. But the south did offer the rest of the US a lot in terms of its economics. It's cotton, as well as natural resources (like Texas' oil), would have led to it's status as superpower hotly contended. Much of history would have probably changed.

Plus the constitution of the Confederate States forbade the federal and state governments to ban slavery, even through a constitutional amendment. So unless a new constitutional convention took place, slavery would technically be legal even today. (even if it isn't practiced) This is my personal opinion. If the others allow it to exist, then I will accept it and follow suit.--AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 04:26, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

I support this country.--Dev271 (talk) 09:30, February 7, 2015 (UTC) Dev271


 * I have a number of major issues with this. First off - the atom bomb. Why the hell would it be the south bombing Japan? Seriously, they have no border on the Pacific, so why the hell would it be tha CSA doing the bombing, rather than say the USA or Sierra, both of which have direct land connections to the Pacific?


 * Secondly, why the hell would the British help the south in the American Civil War? The reason why the south expected to get help from the British was because the south exported a lot of cotton. Well, that didn't convince the British because they had a massive cotton-producing colony known as India.


 * Thirdly, the Confederate constitution directly addresses the legality of slavery in many instances, so like others have said I don't see slavery being banned in the CSA without a constitutional convention to precede it.


 * Fourthly - Cuba. Why does the CSA have Cuba? Cuba was part of the Spanish Empire until the USA helped it gain it's independence. This is never explained in your history.


 * Fifthly - what happened to Pearl Harbor? Seriously, you have the USA going into WW2 because Germany sunk the USS West Virginia in 1941. Well, hate to break it to you, but the USS West Virginia was one of many ships damaged by the Japanese during Pearl Harbor. Besides, why the hell would Germany attack the USA then? Hitler was actually pissed off when Japan attacked the USA as he wanted more time to consolidate the gains he had made in Europe before going after the USA, so if Hitler didn't want to go to war with the US in 1941 and only did so to honor the Tripartite Pact, why would he go out of his way to attack an American ship? - Zabuza825 (talk) 11:48, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Nordic Confederation

 * Nation: Nordic Confederation
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:, , , , , , , , , , , , and.
 * Why you want to join: a passion for conworlding and just to have fun.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: To the best of my knowledge, Yes.
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes.
 * Other: none. AnnaOurLittleAlice (talk) 05:17, February 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Once you explain how you got some of the islands (namely the ones in Canada and off the coast of Russia), and add some more information, your country will move closer towards Altverse integration! :) &#32; Jakuzure Nonon.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 06:32, February 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * I've provided brief explanations for all dependencies and Confederate lands under the geography heading (might move them to history, but that's details for later). AnnaOurLittleAlice (talk) 12:37, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Gaza
Leaving a link to this so everyone sees it. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 18:43, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Some Advice
As we know that the 2nd cold war is going to unfold we should present the military and defence information of  our nations in lum-sum amounts and have a copy or something to write the real amount of weapons, where they are based and related stuff.

We also have a problem of how to know which country is on what rank in area, HDI, GDP(PPP). GDP nominal etc. a table should be introduced just like the detailed list of sovereign states.

Dev271 (talk) 15:41, March 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * A good idea although that will take a while. I'll let the handle that one some time. &#32;  Jakuzure Nonon.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 17:15, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

Albion-Gaul name
It appears that Albion is no longer canon to Altverse, so shouldn't Albion-Gaul be called something like Britannia-Gaul?

Also I might use Albion for a different project aside from Altverse.

( United Republic 20:31, May 2, 2015 (UTC))

Albion and Britannia were used interchangeably when it was Albion-Gaul. When Gaul split from Albion a vote was held in parliament, with Conservatives and Liberals aligned with David Lloyd George favouring the name Britannia and Liberals aligned with Asquith supporting Albion. Needless to say Lloyd George's faction won out. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  21:31, May 2, 2015 (UTC)

Catalonia
I'd like to establish the Republic of Catalonia, and I've made a map to show you the territory I'd like. Feel free to delete the map (since it's low quality) once you've decided if it's possible. If Corsica is part of Gaul, that's my mistake but it isn't on the map. The land proposed is pretty much based on Aragon's in the 15th century, however now including Tunisia and a little more land in Italy. Happy - Talk page - Columbia 19:46, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

We appreciate your interest in joining Altverse. If you don't mind, please direct your application here as that is the place where we administer applications. Thank you! :) &#32;  JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 00:18, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

Activity
Is this active? DetJonesHeja Bayern. GBB. (talk) 18:51, May 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Very much so :) &#32; Coat of arms of Sierra.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 19:03, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Cool, can I make a rebel group/criminal syndicate for this? DetJonesHeja Bayern. GBB. (talk) 20:31, May 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Perfectly fine. You can make an application at the forums and we encourage you to read up our articles to get a better sense of the context and world of Altverse to enhance the significance/relevance of your syndicate. &#32; Coat of arms of Sierra.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 00:08, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

What should I put in my page? The same as a usual page or anything different for Altverse? DetJonesHeja Bayern. GBB. (talk) 18:28, May 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Probably an infobox, and information on the subject. Keep in mind the differences between real life and the Altverse. Alexander of Volzhsky


 * I made a page, it needs more work though. For now I included the basics. DetJonesHeja Bayern. GBB. (talk) 18:55, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Oirat
 DanChan123 (talk) 02:52, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nation: Kingdom of Oirat
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:, , , , , , , , , , , ,.
 * Why you want to join: Ever since my previous Wikia account got hacked, and I had to delete it, I stopped going on this other wiki called Althistory Wikia, which I did alot of stuff on, and decided to start anew on Conworld’s Altverse. I took some old ideas that I never used on Althistory, and used them here. One such idea is Oirat, which is based on the Buddhist-Russian federal subject of Kalmykia.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes, I’ve read many as examples before I began.
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: So far into my first several months, yes.
 * Other: I’m still missing alot of stuff, but still I hope I can start soon.


 * New applications do not go on the talk page, but here: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Conworld_Wikia_Forum/topic/7838559/27/#new -Alexander of Volzhsky

Changed Gaul to France
Two admins agreed on chat that I can take over Gaul and rename it to France, so I've changed it on this page. Is that ok? Happy - Talk page - Columbia 11:14, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Also, France would like to claim Guadeloupe and Martinique (I think we have these already since they're unclaimed and French regions and departments already (integrated fully, not classed as overseas territories). We would like to also claim St. Lucia and the French part of Saint Martin. St. Lucia was a French colony before the union, when it became a Albion-Gaulish colony (probably), so I'm guessing that it would be returned to France following the union. This also applies to Saint Martin. We'd also like to claim Saint Barthélemy, same situation as the other two. Happy - Talk page - Columbia 12:33, May 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * I have no objections as I was one of those admins. &#32; Coat of arms of Sierra.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 01:47, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Trucial States (now that I can do so here)
HORTON11 : •  16:37, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nation: Trucial States
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Oman, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, about 1/8 of Eastern Province (Saudi Arabia), Sirri and Farur Islands.
 * Why you want to join: I was inspired by Indian/ME stories recently
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: OFC
 * Other: No formal treaty with a European power anymore given that all are well developed now.


 * I vouch my support. &#32; Coat of arms of Sierra.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 01:47, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * Danke. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:55, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Claiming Spain and Portugal
Hey! I'd like to claim Spain and Portugal, in order to create my own country in Altverse. Here's the proposal...


 * Nation: Iberian Republic
 * Real World Countries claimed: Spain and Portugal (except Galicia)
 * Why I want to join: I've been active on similar wikis for quite a while now, although these have always involved completely fictional countries. I'd like the opportunity to do something similar but using land and countries that exists in real life
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes, I've read the Altverse rules, as well as looking at quite a few existing Altverse countries
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes

Frijoles333 TALK 16:43, May 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Once there is an article of decent size of the Iberian Republic, I am sure it will be approved. &#32; Coat of arms of Sierra.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 01:47, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Chile application
Hi, here's my application to join Altverse. I'm still working on the main article and more will arrive in the coming days.


 * Nation: Chile
 * Real World Countries claimed: Chile
 * Why I want to join: Looking to get active again on Conworlds, and I find Altverse to be very interesting.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes, I've read the Altverse rules, though I can't say I've read all articles on all countries. :|
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes

Thanks in advance. Also, I am looking to co-operate with others on Chile, and would welcome assistance. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:20, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

I give my full support. Britannia will always be willing to help out another democratic socialist state (those Tories don't have Pinochet to copy :P) --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  21:38, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

I vouch! Welcome to Altverse! :D &#32;  JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 00:50, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Yay! :o —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:13, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Columbia application
I am looking forward to working on my project, and developing it into a high quality article. Happy - Talk page - Columbia 17:29, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nation: Columbia, officially the Kingdom of Columbia
 * Real World land claimed: British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan (Canada), Washington (US)
 * Why do I want to join?: I would like to work on my project, Columbia, as part of a greater project whereby a wide range of events happen.
 * Have I read everything concerning Altverse?: I believe so, however there might be a few pages I've missed here and there.
 * Do you agree to comply with all rules and policies? Yes


 * I have no real concerns other than that if it would be okay for Columbia to also include Oregon. No one else claims Oregon and I highly doubt it could exist an exclave for the United States. I thought because Oregon is often included in the RL Cascadian independence movement, it should be part of Columbia too. &#32; Coat of arms of Sierra.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 19:02, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe include Idaho for the same reason. :o —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 19:03, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

I believe this has been approved, Oregon became an unincorporated territory of Columbia whilst Idaho will be given to Wabash (I believe so). Happy - Talk page - Columbia 18:20, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

United States (Altverse)
( United Republic 00:56, June 18, 2015 (UTC))
 * Nation: United States (Altverse)
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Remaining United States, excluding Washington, Oregon, and Idaho and including Lower Canada, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Bahamas, and Dominica
 * Why you want to join: Altverse needs a page for the United States
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other: No comment.


 * I support. &#32; Coat of arms of Sierra.png JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 01:14, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

Are you intending to be the controller/roleplayer for the US? If it's going to be collectively controlled ("Altverse needs a page for the United States" may suggest that) then ignore this, but I'm slightly concerned about the lack of detail (there's just early history). Plus, UR already has Germany and Congo to use. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 02:06, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

I don't control the Congo, and I intend to set the basis of the article. Once I finish the brief history I will go more into detail. I've only started, don't worry ( United Republic 22:07, June 18, 2015 (UTC))

I might have to drop out
Stuff keeps coming up to hurt my activity DetJonesHeja Bayern. GBB. (talk) 19:35, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

Maghreb

 * Nation: Maghreb
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:, ,
 * Why you want to join: I think it would be interesting.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Mostly
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other:


 * If there is some more history, it would be much easier to evaluate this application but it seems good so far. I offer my tentative support until more history is written. &#32; Coat of Arms of Sierra (with mantle).svg JustinVuong | Talk | World  &#32; 03:32, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Republic of the Southern Indian Ocean Islands
AnnaOurLittleAlice (talk) 01:03, August 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nation: Republic of the Southern Indian Ocean Islands
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:, , and  of the ;  of ;  of ; possibly  of  and  of Australia in the near future.
 * Why you want to join: FUN! You like me, right, Justin? ^^ ( Also my earlier application was not a viable nation so I want to try again with this one, as it is much easier and yet interesting enough.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: YES
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: YES durr
 * Other: I have looked at whether France (Altverse) includes the Terres australes et antarctiques, but it seems that they are not included. Therefore I assume it's safe to say that this nation does not coincide with any existing Altverse nations at the moment (hopefully).

Looks fine, I support. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  22:32, September 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * I second that motion. I forgot to add my support this. Sorry for the long wait! &#32; Star Butterfly (pixelated).png centrist16 | Talk | World  &#32; 23:31, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Kingdom of Columbia

 * Nation: Kingdom of Columbia
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: (1848 borders),, , , and the  (minus the Philippines)
 * Why you want to join: I spoke to DoW and he said he'd be willing to give up Rainier and allow Columbia to become an Altverse nation. Plus I feel it would be a good fit for the world.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other: My map is currently conflicting with Sierra over Hawaii, however I will be willing to change that.

( United Republic 23:32, September 30, 2015 (UTC))


 * I vouch this but yeah, we can talk about Hawaii. I think we can have something interesting happen there to be honest. We'll talk over this on chat whenever you're on. &#32; Star Butterfly (pixelated).png centrist16 | Talk | World  &#32; 03:15, October 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * Altverse_Map_(including_Columbia).png

I made a map including Columbia just to show what the borders would look like with a "settled" Wyoming. Tell me what you think ( United Republic 22:23, October 1, 2015 (UTC))

Don't the borders conflict with Rainier? --AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield (talk) 02:09, October 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * @ AWpCR: Dog of War agreed to allow Columbia to take over instead of Rainier. @UR: The map is really great although I forgot to mention that Wabash is no longer part of the Altverse universe (I'll be making the changes to take it out) as Sunkist decided to scrap it. &#32; Star Butterfly (pixelated).png centrist16 | Talk | World  &#32; 03:27, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

I prefer Rainier. I think monarchies in North America are extremely unlikely and since we already have Sierra, I prefer Rainier. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:31, October 2, 2015 (UTC) I just want to say I'm withdrawing Ranier, due to time commitments. --16:41, October 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * So do you think I have the green-light for Columbia in Altverse? (Flag_of_the_German_Empire.svg United Republic Flag_of_Prussia_1892-1918.svg 22:09, October 2, 2015 (UTC))

Empire of Brazil
Sithlent (talk) 16:13, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nation: Empire of Brazil
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Brazil and Uruguay
 * Why you want to join: I want to enjoy my time on the Constructed Worlds Wiki, and also because Altverse seems pretty cool.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other: N/A

I wanna Join
I wanna join because i wanna add some Countries that aren't there yet. (And yes i have my own Project here) --TechMountenDew (talk) 13:12, October 26, 2015 (UTC)TechMountenDew

Israel
I'm completely relinquishing all claims to Israel as I've hardly touched it since I created it. Please feel free to consider it open and available.

&#32;  Bowwow | Talk | Desperatio |The world is my canvas  &#32; 17:34, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

Confederate State of Tennessee
Troy R. W. (talk) 00:39, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nation: Confederate State of Tennessee
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: The current borders of the state of Tennessee (excluding Montgomery County, see our wiki page for details on this)
 * Why you want to join: Conworlding as a hobby has always appealed to me, this projects seems to be very interactive and fun.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other: Our Main Wiki page is not finished yet (http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Confederate_State_of_Tennessee), however the CST would be formed during late 2015 over outrage at the US's legalization of same-sex marriage and tax issues. Tennessee would declare it's independence in late 2015.


 * Under the current scheme, I am having a difficult time seeing Tennessee successfully achieving secession over this particular issue (or any other issue for that matter) from the United States. While it is an interesting concept, and it does have its real life application, I doubt the United States government would allow Tennessee out of the union with such ease as it would set a dangerous precedent, leading other states to secede over similar issues or circumstances. In addition, the United States could easily quash what it perceives, a state rebellion, and could easily receive international support in the case the conflict escalates. Secession in the contemporary age, even in Altverse, from the United States, just seems too implausible and difficult to pull off. I recommend either having Tennessee seceding at an earlier date (preferably with multiple other states), perhaps in the early 20th century, or have several Southern states secede and triggering a "second" civil war. &#32; Juvia Lockser Chibi.png centrist16 | Talk | World  &#32; 04:49, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from with this, it would be hard to imagine a peaceful succession in this setting. However, it was my intention to use a most-peaceful-as-possible succession because, as you stated, the USA would be able to totally crush an armed uprising of a single state. Allow me to propose a new idea. What if Tennessee receives official and un-official support from a neighboring nation(s) during the initial phase of succession, one that would be just enough to to convince the USA to allow Tennessee to leave as opposed to risk a significant war, but not so-significant that it would encourage international escalation? Do you see something long these lines being more plausible? --Troy R. W. (talk) 10:39, December 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * This route is certainly much more plausible in the technical sense but in practice, much more difficult to accomplish diplomatically. The only actual countries that would have leverage in persuading the US to allowing a state to secede would be its closest allies but supporting the loss of territorial integrity of an ally seems counterintuitive and would serve no substantial benefit for the pressuring nation. Also, supporting a secession over an issue such as same-sex marriage itself is controversial. It would garner a strong negative opinion from the pressuring state, the US, and a significant portion of the international community that the endeavor would be high-risk and low-reward from a diplomatic perspective. Later today, when I have the time, I'll think up of some ideas to make this possible. I like the idea however, and think it would be interesting. &#32; Juvia Lockser Chibi.png centrist16 | Talk | World  &#32; 17:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

Republic of Australia
Sithlent (talk) 18:30, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nation: Republic of Australia
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Australia, Papua New Guinea, and New Caledonia
 * Why you want to join: I simply want to have fun while on the Conworld Wiki.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other: N/A

I'm neutral - once there's a good page for it I'll support this. Happy (Talk) 18:44, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Yorkshire application
I've returned to Conworlds once more, and decided to create Yorkshire. Following the end of the in 1487, Yorkshire became independent as a result of a large rebellion.

Yorkshire has very strong relations with neighbouring Britain and France. It has good relations with and Trans-Pacific Allied Community members.

I've also included, a small archipelago in the North Sea with a population of just over 1,000. I assume this is currently part of Germany, is there any way this could become part of Yorkshire?

Yorkshire has a population of 5.1 million and many large stadiums, four of which have a capacity of over 30,000. As a result, Yorkshire would like to make bids to host the Olympics and FIFA World Cup, though Yorkshire definitely doesn't plan to host both (if any).

I've discussed this with User:Dog of War on chat as it includes land of Britain, and he said he'd support my application. The page is still under construction, though here it is so far: Yorkshire.

Thanks, Happy (Talk) 12:14, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

New Application
Supports Russia and the Sino-Russian Alliance.''' ~Candiesrgood
 * Nation Shìrín
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Russian Pacific (Khabarovsk and Primorsky Krais, Jewish Autonomous Oblast, Sakhalin island)
 * Why you want to join: Because I want to venture out of alternate history and basically start on scratch, create an ethnicity, create a culture and language, etc.
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * '''Other:  This country is militarily strong, but pacifist and neutral (so it wouldn't be supporting any country in the Second Cold War


 * The location of this nation presents a few problems. The first is that China would not allow such a pro-American regime to lie on their border - Mao was terrified that the KMT/America would invade China and overthrow his regime which was in a weak position in the 1950's, hence why he was willing to throw away so many lives in the Korean War - keeping China surrounded by buffers or countries apathetic to America benefited his regime. Similarly, the KMT were pretty intent on reunifying the entire of historical Chinese territory during the 1920's and would have certainly tried invading Sansi during the chaos that was the Warlord period. The incusion of Gunagdong also presents some problems as Guangdong has played an important role in modern Chinese history being the birthplace of Sun Yat-Sen and at one point the only part of China the KMT controlled (although that said an independent Gunagdong/Cantonese repuookblic may make some sense). Possibly a solution may be to downsize the territory of Sansi or to move its location. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  15:09, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, I previously wanted to use the Russian Pacific (that would explain closer cultural ties with Russia) since it had lots of raw materials that had enabled industrial expansion. So from what I understand, apart from its location, you have no other problems? ~Candiesrgood

Not really. Having a state in parts of the Russian far east may be appropriate - especially on Sakhalin island, where the close Russian influences/Japanese invasion would make perfect sense.--Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  15:42, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

So basically, if I move it, you'll say yes? :o, or more like neutral? ~Candiesrgood Anyways, I'll edit the page to fit its new location. This time it claims the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, Primorsky Krai, the Sakhalin and Khabarovsk Krai. I also have trouble on whether I should classify it as simply a very influential and powerful middle power (like Japan or Korea) or a great power.

I changed its location now and added several details on its history, as well as a map. ~Candiesrgood

For the history, you may want to go with a north-south divide that reunifies in the 1990's which would be the most realistic (ala Germany). Alternatively if it stays as one nation have the nation become neutral in world affairs - if the Soviets couldn't set up a pro-Soviet regime they would force a country to be neutral rather then have it declare any side.

I would advise going more for a middle power then either of those two. Only 7 nations are great powers (China, Russia, Japan, the USA, UK, France and Germany) all of which maintained empires at some point or another and were at times superpowers either militarily, economically or politically. I would also have reservations with being a regional power - however it could work, or it could be a.

The other problems I have is with population and economy. I highly doubt a nation like Sansi would have a population higher then Brazil, Russia, and Japan being located in the Russian far east - South Africa or Italy at their population of 55-60 million would be a more appropriate standard to measure up to. Also having an economy of $6 trillion seems ridiculously far fetched- only the United States (the world's sole superpower) and China (the industrial capital of the world) would beat it economically, with other great powers like Russia (a military and natural gas juggernaut), Japan (the world's major technological centre after the USA) and Germany (Europe's biggest economy) not coming close. $6 trillion seems like a stupendously inflated figure - being more comparable to Thailand, Taiwan or Australia at 1 trillion would make more sense.

I would say tone down the country's power down a bit and keep it simple. You don't need to be some great power like Russia or China to make an impact being a middle power can be fine and interesting. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  16:29, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

I really want to keep the economic and population sizes due to the fact I have to revise all my data (yes, I calculated data) to fit the new population and economic figure. I can move the location (to perhaps Indochina or Indonesia, removing all Russian historical influences) and downsize its global role significantly if you want. I can also move it to its previous location but this time including a time where Guangdong was independent and it being instead neutral during the fifties and sixties. I request Justin's (and other peoples') opinion on the nation and suggestions before revamping Sansi.

I also have an idea that Sansi would be Altverse's "Japan", a large, successful economy would make sense. I hope you take this possibility and discuss it with the other administrators of the project. ~ Candiesrgood

I would have to say no if you don't revise those figures. The economy and population is just to high a figure - the location you would have to move to would be the entire of the and  to match those figures. If you need to re-do calculations I can help you with that. --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  17:32, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

109 million and $3.27 trillion are my current population and GDP (PPP) (if the economy was measured by market exchange rates the figure would be lower at $2.45 trillion) figures, are they "low" enough?

Also, I have made the regime neutral in world affairs until the seventies, while it had while a capitalist command economy it developed closer ties with the Soviet Union (it needed access to raw materials). I also toned down the power and made it a middle power (not a great one) but still kept it a major regional power. China, Japan and Korea are, and since Shiri's larger than Korea (population-wise and economy-wise) and the only pro-Russian Northeast Asian state (thus making them fairly active I guess), it would probably be one. ~Candiesrgood


 * I do appreciate the toned-down figures although I shall leave it up to Dog on his thoughts of this modification. As I read up more on the area on where Sansi will be (the Pacific coast of Siberia), having a population with the size you currently project is feasible although bear in mind that the GDP would still not reach up to the trillion figures on natural resources alone. Over such a relatively small area, why has Russia in real-life not achieved a higher figure (it stands at a little more than a trillion in GDP nominally and 3.4 trillion by PPP). I understand you have the population up at 100 million but you will need to explain more on how such numbers arose. Are you planning to create your own ethnic group in addition to existing ones? &#32; Juvia Lockser Chibi.png centrist16 | Talk | World  &#32; 04:48, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, do not review the article until later cause much of the issues are mis-understandings or lack of information. Yes I am creating a new ethnic group (hence the new language) and the primarily reason of a larger population is because of the introduction of advance agricultural practices imported from China. Also, the country does not follow the Russia growth model (as in exporting raw materials) or the communist ideology (despite being quite a close ally of Russia), and follow a conglomerate-dominated capitalist system similar to Korea's and Japan's. The abundance of raw materials are only used as to reduce dependence on imports that Japan and Korea, its principal economic competitors are suffering from. Also, using nominal GDP is kinda useless since it doesn't account lower prices, actually Russian total GDP (PPP) is higher than Shiri's (by 9.3%) and per capita GDP (PPP) is quite close, like a 25% difference. I will create a detailed paragraph later focusing on its economic history to reduce confusion. I appreciate the feedback and hopes Dog of War (DoW is a name of this mapgame in my native wiki) finds my state interesting.

[EDIT] "From 1950 to 2015, the economy experienced 6.4% annual growth, resulting in a 25-fold increase in its per capita income (from $1,200 to $30,000) and a 56-fold increase in its total gross domestic product (from $59 billion to $3.27 trillion). The principal stimulus to its massive growth is the growth of labour and capital-intensive exports, resulting in its place as the fourth largest exporter. It is a global leader in the shipbuilding, semiconductor, electronics and automobiles industry, and its massive business conglomerates are known worldwide, competing with other East Asian conglomerates like Samsung or Sony." Hope this helps you give constructive criticism on Shiri. Keep in mind that this is not a developed country, and is on an intermediate level between a developed and developing one. ~Candiesrgood


 * I personally feel that $3 trillion is still really high, bearing in mind that measuring by PPP it would be on a similar level to Brazil and Russia especially if its not a developed country (like Korea and Japan are). I would suggest having it no greater then $2 trillion which is still a huge GDP especially if its on an economic level between a developed/developing country (like Mexico, Saudi Arabia and Turkey whose GDP's range from $1.5-2 trillion and are all pretty important players from a geopolitical and economic perspective). That would also make sense if they copied China's agriculture (agriculture in China was very advanced when first implemented but by 1949 was very outdated, which meant changing it would most likely result in ). --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  14:43, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I feel like this nation isn't meant to be in Altverse (I just thought of an idea for a project). I will re-apply but this time with a different country (probably Japan). Thanks for giving constructive criticism on it, and I am sorry that the criticism may be useless now that it wouldn't join Altverse. ~Candiesrgood

Help D:
I cannot seem to see Altverse, it may be my laptop, but it may be an issue of the whole community. ~Candiesrgood

I think it's an issue with the entire community, as I can't see my articles either. I'm glad that it's not just me! Woogers - talk 12:52, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Aesthetics and Organisation of Altverse Page
Hello! I am relatively new to the Altverse community, but I would strongly recommend that the Altverse page be revamped aesthetically and organisationally, as much of this information is outdated, and can be confusing for new nations. Thanks! Javants (talk) 07:34, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

I will work on updating the list (by removing the old countries and whatnot) but what would you recommend be changed aesthetics/organization-wise? &#32;  centrist16 | Talk | World |  &#32; 01:41, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

I believe that the page would benefit from a more detailed description of what Altverse actually is, considering only two sentences mention the topic. More information, particularly regarding maps, would help the page. Javants (talk) 07:58, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

Invitation System
How does the "invitation" system work exactly? ~Candy


 * If the existing composition of Altverse is interested in seeing another contributor join, based on their nation(s), they are "invitable" either explicitly (by leaving a message on the candidate's talk page) or implicitly (the user applies and as long as they satisfy any issues on their page, they are accepted). The invite system was implemented generally to prevent certain individuals from joining for certain reasons. If this was your implicit requst to join, you are invitable. &#32; Rosalina icon.png centrist16 | Talk | World |Flag of Conworlds Quality Control.svg  &#32; 14:59, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Yucatan and Sierra
How the hell did Sierra get Canacun

Dev271 (talk) 06:46, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

Seceded and joined during the Mexican Revolution to avoid fascist takeover. &#32;  centrist16 | Talk | World |  &#32; 14:07, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

Reluctance to change small things
The scale on which you are changing history can change everything it is like today (Butterfly Effect). But I dont know why you are reluctant to change very small things. I kept quiet on this thing but if Altverse really stands to its meaning then a player should be allowed to change everything he wants.

For example

One can change the birthplace of Stalin. Pretty much he can do everything. And as for the moderating the players country and not letting him use so many butterfly effects to make his country a heaven on earth. You guys are right here.

Think about this for a while. If a player wants Lenin to lead the USSR (Lets say) and not Stalin then he can just say Stalin died in infancy or something of that sort.

Cause this is altverse and altverse has moderators.

Dev271 (talk) 06:54, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Thoughtful insight but we don't care. &#32;  centrist16 | Talk | World |  &#32; 14:57, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Guayana
and policies?: Y --Cheers The Road to Hell  is paved with good intentions  06:54, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Nation: Guayana
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:
 * 🇬🇾 Guyana
 * 🇸🇷 Suriname
 * 🇬🇫 French Guiana
 * 🇧🇷 Brazil ( and provinces)
 * Why you want to join: Because I think this nation wuld fit in well with Altverse
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules
 * Other: If you can please can you remove Cuenia from the map.

Approved! &#32;  centrist16 | Talk | World |  &#32; 00:50, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Russia: Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic

 * Nation: Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
 * Real World Countries and Land Claimed:Russia, including Crimea
 * Why you want to join: Because I miss the geopolitical game and because Russia should exist in any geopolitical game :-)
 * Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Yes
 * Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Yes
 * Other:

Thanks --BIPU (talk) 18:45, April 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * After discussion with the rest of the members of Altverse, your application has been approved. We will be updating articles and media related to Altverse to reflect these changes shortly. Welcome! &#32; Rosalina icon.png centrist16 | Talk | World |Flag of Conworlds Quality Control.svg  &#32; 04:07, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I will try to contribute as well as possible to the development of Altverse. --BIPU (talk) 10:21, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Actual map and nations
Hi, I would like to ask for joining your project and in order to claim a new nation it would be right to get an updated map and active nations list. I have been reading the stuff and it is not clear what nations are still alive. Thank you. --BIPU (talk) 13:10, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Please, have a look to this and try to update the list of active nations in Altverse. It is important for potential and current contributors to have the list and the map updated. Let me know if you need help. Thanks in advance.--BIPU (talk) 15:26, May 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I'll get to it when I go home. In the meantime, if you'd like, feel free to modify. &#32; Rosalina icon.png centrist16 | Talk | World |Flag of Conworlds Quality Control.svg  &#32; 19:07, May 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Dont worry, I can wait. :-) I have seen some nations that have been edited in recent days and seems not to be linked to any world. Are there more nations pending to be added to Altverse? (Patagonia, Rajia, Baltia,...)--BIPU (talk) 20:19, May 2, 2016 (UTC)