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Lets talk about energy
Now I'm back home again :), I would like to put some economic discussions in order to get a bit more economic realism for our beloved FW.

The first thing I want to talk about is energy. If we review the wikis of our countries, we can see at first glance that none of us use current energy sources. That's good because we worked (not all) explanations very interesting technology, but we have not always taken into account that everything has a cost. One of the biggest problems of FW is that we do not usually take into account what things cost, and that unfortunately is a fundamental component in the viability of any technology.

Have a look to this REAL WORLD numbers about the construction cost per KW from different types of power plants: (Currency in Euros €)

- Wind power => 1300 €/KW. A typical wind mill may vary from 1.5 to 3 MW, so you need about 500 windmills and a windy day to get the production of a fossil or nuclear plant. Windmills can be a help but not the main energy source of a nation.

- Solar power => 4000 €/KW The biggest solar plant in the world is near Sevilla, Spain, and its output is about 300MW with a surface of 3 millions of square metres.

- Fossil fuel plant => 900 €/KW ¡¡Great!!, but CO2 is a problem :(

- 3rd Gen. Fission Plant => From 3000 to 6000 €/KW deppending on the country laws about security, waste treatment, insurance, special taxes, etc. A typical plant is about 1000MW, so the cost of a plant could be from 3 to 6 billions of euros.

Now, lets have a look to FW:

- Everett says that almost all its energy is from FUSION reactors. Ok, how much a fusion reactor can cost? Lets be imaginative... Think in a 1000MW plant... 10 billions?? Even if the cost is similar to curren fision ones, 6 billions is a huge amount of money. Everett can afford it, sure EAF can... but.... more?? Reaaly your nation can turn off your fossil plants and built new ones? Have a look to what an industrialized nation needs in terms of electricity. (And of course you have to take into account that this kind of thechnology is not the one you can get searching in Google, so you can not do it by yourself.)

- I cant value in € the kind of things that my friend Gatemonger has writen about energy in FGC, so lets go to South America :) South America talks about solar energy. Lets do a non detailed number. BRASIL produces 450 millions of MW so with solar plants of 300MW would need 1.5 millions of plants (I remember you that we are talking of plants sized as the biggest in the world). 1.5 millions of plants and 1200 millions of € per plant is a number that I dont want to write but I'm afraid that is a number that Brasil cant afford. :) (And I'm afraid that there is not physical space to put all those solar panels.)

What I search with this reflexions is that we have to reconsider a FW without oil and coal becouse even if we have the technology we dont have de money to change the energy production in 2011. Lets consider some big powers with an important % of production with innovative sources but we have to assume that most nations have to be oil and coal deppendants in an important %.

We can do some cool things with coal, have a look to my IGCC plants. An interesting and cheap technology for those nations with huge ammounts of coal and enviromental conciencie.

Considering this, we can think in energy as a matter of roleplaying. If all we are autonomous in energy, arms, etc. the game becomes bored.--BIPU 00:00, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I was about to introduce us all to duodenum energy. I just havn't had the time, but it works like this;
 * Put liquid deuterium in titanium container below water
 * add many neutrons to unbalance
 * COMBUSTION! heats water
 * Water > steam = spinning turbine
 * Electricity Officially signed by Grand Marshall MineCraftian ( for more please see Talk or Contributions) 08:24, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Cool :) Exactly as I said. A good technical development of the game. But... how much does it cost? How much has a nation to invest in order to get viability for such (or other in game) technology? How much does it cost to change the entire national production of electricity? All these things are what I'm talking about. I'm not discussing about technology now, I'm talking about MONEY :) and MONEY is the big mistake of FW becouse nobody think in it.

Please, dont think in my words as any kind of criticism becouse the only thing I want is to talk about FW economy. :)--BIPU 08:30, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Liquid deuterium is an enhanced form of hydrogen. You just simply filter it from water, and condense it. It would cost about 100k ($) to build a hydrogen collecting plant on a river. The amount of energy created from it is amazing, trust me. It could power about an area as large as Ireland (given the deuterium is evenly replaced each month). That would cost about 2 dollars per 10000 trips because of the truck deliering it. Cheap and It works :D. That is called progress. Officially signed by Grand Marshall MineCraftian ( for more please see Talk or Contributions) 08:36, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry becouse I said that I didnt wanted to talk about technology, byt I'm afraid I cant. Are you sure that hydrogen can be obtained filtered from water? Please... Anybody with a basic chem knowledge knows that the only way to separate hydrogen from water is using electrolisys that is a process where you put a HUGE ammount of electricity to obtain hydrogen. After that, you have to put a new ammount of energy (and an expensive process) to get deuterium. I'm sorry, but 100k is less than an engineer earns for designing the plant.

Deuterium, neutrons, etc. are not such things that you can buy in a supermarket. The steam circuit or the turbine cost equal for any type of power plant becouse they are basically the same and I can tell you that they cost much much much much more than 100k. 100k is one third of the cost of my house and I'm not rich. I'm only a simple engineer. :) --BIPU 09:34, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

hmmmm that is why we overtax our people XD. No, really I don't know much about chemistry, but I don't know any other places with signifigant amounts of hydrogen. If you do, please tell me and my mind will conjure some way to get it. Officially signed by Grand Marshall MineCraftian ( for more please see Talk or Contributions) 09:45, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wait! I have it!!!! By the action of sodium on water you can create hydrogen. If i collect water and sodium, then hydrogen would be formed? I need a confirmation of this Officially signed by Grand Marshall MineCraftian ( for more please see Talk or Contributions) 09:57, April 3to dcxxxxx, 2011 (UTC)

The question is not how to obtain hydrogen. The question is how to obtain hydrogen without ruining your nation!!!! :) And now, we can return to my original post that was not about technology. It was about money. We need to maintain an international energy market (fossil fuels, nuclear tech, renewable tech, etc.) to play a game with a minimum of reality. I'm happy with this debate becouse this kind of things enrich our game.--BIPU 10:55, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

The energy market you speak of is still an important part of this nation's day-to-day operations. Fusion power's inhibitive costs make it not feasible for application outside of the two current applications, civil electricity and military propulsion. In my country, Cars still run on refined Petroleum, trains in the country still run on diesel, civil aircraft still run on petrol, and actually, there are still fossil fuel burning plants in the "Frontier". The country is not without traditional power sources, it is just that they are declining in importance, over time. A considerable portion of the national budget is spent on Development and Moderniztion, and in turn, most of these funds are spent on "Fusionization". I haven't done a detailed budgetary analysis of for my country, but if you so wish, it can be done. Woogers - talk 15:38, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

All the things relatives to Fusion in FW are well related. Nevertheless, nobody has talked about the cost of a Fusion Reactor. If we assume similar costs to the actual Fision reactors, the process of change the entire national electricity production to fusion power will be huge. I dont want to know a detailed budget of your economy, it is not what I want. What I want is that everybody knows that fusion reactors are only avaliables for a very short number of nations in FW. First of all becouse of dollars and second becouse I suppose that Everett is not willing to share their knowledge on wikileaks. Think that in the real world there are only five or six companies in the whole world with the knowledge to build a fision plant.--BIPU 20:12, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

There are a few technologies I can use to artificially decrease the cost of a fusion reactor, but 10 billion euros is probably the base cost. Woogers - talk 20:50, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ideas for future developments
I have a lot of things to to in Baltic Union, but I'm thinking in ask for a second nation too. :) I have some ideas that I want to share with you in order to know your opinion:

Canada
Playing Canada as is now in FW (without the Everett and Cascacia territories) could be very interesting.
 * Favourable, a huge amount of natural resources to develop (you know I kike it :))
 * Unfavourable, a small population that could be increased telling about the economic development...
 * Favourable, Canada is neighbor of BU and it will be logical a close relation

The spanish second civil war: New spanish nations (FORGET THIS BECOUSE WITH MY NEW NATION "Euskadi" THIS STUFF IS NOT VALID
I'm sure this coud enrich the game a lot and it will open a group of new nations to play and develop for other players. The idea (that I would develop) is that around 2006-2007 there were a number of events in Spain which ended in a civil war that Finally involves also to Portugal and Morocco. The result of that war 4 new nations emerge:
 * Catalunya (Catalonia)
 * Euskadi (Basque Country with parts in france)
 * Reino de Leon (The north west of the Iberian Peninsula With Some portuguese islands). I live in Leon!
 * Al Andalus (The south half of Spain and Portugal, The Canary Islands, Morocco and the Sahara.

I will develop the origins of the war, the war and the basic lines of the new nations. After that, any player can control any nation. (I would like to control one of them.

I'd be happy to help you implement that. I would like to take control of one. Kunarian 22:02, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Next week I'm going to have a bit more time, so it is possible to continue with the war article. It would be great to count with you running one of the new nations.--BIPU 08:32, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oy
Oy - stay active this time pls! :D -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 12:45, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

I promise to stay as active as real life allowed me. lol Meanwhile, try to help me not becoming FW in a Dungeons & Dragons style world plenty of magic things. :)  --BIPU 15:01, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

FW is being restarted and realism increased. The nation you choose now will be permanent, so be sure of what you want. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 15:36, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

You know that realism sounds great for me!!! --BIPU 16:02, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Ladies and gentlemen: Euskadi
Well... I´m goin with my new nation, the Republic of Euskadi, Euskadiko Errepublica (basque) or simply Euskadi. The state of Euskadi was born in 1936 at the starting of the spanish civil war. During WWII the frech basque territories were annexed as well as some french colonies. (I will develop this in Euskadi History).

Since that days, Euskadi has grown as a modern and democratic nation able to compensate its small size with an extraordinary technical and economical development based in science and engineering as well as some natural resources in the mainland and specially in the overseas territories.

For those that dont know about me, I like a realistic style of playing assuming that this is FW and there are a lot of "future" things. Anyway, I allways say that future does not mean magic and there are things that can not be. :) Euskadi will be a powerful nation able to defend its interests but I dont want to be a world superpower. I like any kind of roleplaying and Euskadi will be open to RP, specially (but not only) economic RP.

Thank you to UP for allowing me to return and I hope to have a good RP with all you.

--BIPU 16:39, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back, sort of. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 16:46, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Euskadi
Uterrioristsbro? I'vent heard anything good about the Basque Country before, but that is because they want independence IRL and they are fighting for it. I presume you are from the Basque Country (I can tell by your natural ability to write the language), but that does not matter. What does matter, is that of the state of relations between Skandinavia (or more popular Scandinavia as some other users are calling) and Euskadi. So, any interesting proposals before I slap some random words on my foreign relations page? Synthic 10:38, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well.. I suppose you have heard only the bad things, but IRL, the Basque Country is full of good things. Self-determination is a legitimate idea but unfortunately there are bad people who take refuge in it to kill.

I'm half basque but I dont live there, although I travel to Euskadi IRL once or twice a month for work. I only know some basics about Euskara (the language) but I can ask my mom :)

About the relationships between our two nations, let me some days to develop the wiki basics and I will propose you some ideas. Anyway, Euskadi is allways open to RP. --BIPU 10:45, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I know what kind of relacionship I want with your nation... I want a relationship with the Princess !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --BIPU 11:22, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

They're both taken, but there is still that one Prince... :) Synthic 11:26, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Budget
I've started half of the budgeting process. Revenues. At this moment, East Asia has receipts of 14,499,585,700,000¥ from the six revenue sources currently written in my articles. I'm 177,501,524,800,000¥ short of my goal. Have to find sources of new revenue. Or raise "taxes", at the risk of losing the incredibly low cost of living. Woogers - talk 11:27, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

As a liberal, I have to prevent you to raise taxes becouse I think that is allways the worse at the mid and long term. I have to go out now, but I promise to read about your budget and leave my comments. --BIPU 11:36, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Liberal? Against raising taxes? That's absurd. But really, the taxes here are $172 on the low end and $525 on the high end per annum. That's cheap. Woogers - talk 12:02, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it is far from absurd. We americans have corrupted the definition of "liberal" to mean "progressive". BIPU is probably referring to classical liberalism. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:09, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * lol  What you call "liberal" is really "socialist". Liberal is to put freedom over all, individual freedom over what the politicians call "common wellfare" and really means "their" wellfare. Liberal means "let me use my money, the money I earn with my job, to give wellfare to my children and dont expropiate my money to "your" charity. Using an american example, Ron Paul is a liberal. --BIPU 18:43, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't he sign the wrong party application form then? -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 18:47, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I dont understand what you want to say --BIPU 18:48, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're saying Ron Paul is a liberal, yet he signed up and is running for president under the banner of the conservative party, as apposed to the liberal party. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 18:52, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

What you all call Liberal, we call Libertarian. They are different, in our eyes. In budget news, I'm ¥23 trillion short of my initial goal. Woogers - talk 18:58, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well.. I'm afraid it is a semantical question again :) Here the "liberals" are closest to right (not far right) parties than left parties specially in their economic policies. Nevertheless, in Europe all the parties (except the liberal-libertarian ones) are "socialist" at the end becouse all they want to preserve what they call "wellfare state" and this is what is strangling our economy.--BIPU 19:07, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Woogers... Where do you have published your budget?? --BIPU 19:17, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

It's not published, yet. Its in a spreadsheet. I'm looking for more revenue sources before I move onto expenses. Woogers - talk 19:28, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Give me an idea about what are you considering as incomes --BIPU 19:32, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Public Services in the East Asian Federation, higher speeds, specialized processing power, or more storage space on the Integrated Defense Network, a center city congestion charge in the ten largest cities, tolls on all of the National Expressways, fares on Federation Railways, leasing and foreign corporate taxes in the Free Trade Zone, user fees on the Taoyuan Space Tether, interest on official development assistance loans to developing countries, and excise charges and tariffs on 93.7% of imports. That's what I have so far. I'm about ¥17 trillion of the goal I set. Woogers - talk 19:39, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

So.. do you have no tax? Have a look to this. (I dont know how about your french but it is one of the best budgetary summary I have foind in the Net):

--BIPU 22:16, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand french at all. Woogers - talk 00:39, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

The British finance minister web page has a budget review, but it is quite larger. The adventage of the french one is that is very summarized. Have a look over there... maybe you can find a review from other nation in english. --BIPU 00:55, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Couldn't find any more revenue, so started on expenses. Need some advice/help there. I'm still disappointed that I couldn't reach my revenue goal, but I got pretty close. Woogers - talk 12:09, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well... there are two ways to adjust the budget: More incomes or less expenses :) If you decided to maintain your taxes to the minimum you should cut especially your "social" spents. If you dont expropiate 40% of my salary, I will be able to pay my own things so the state dont have to put money for that. Cut on services as education or health. Personally I would prefer a government that allow me to do what I want with the money I earn. --BIPU 17:19, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is the goal. In exchange for the government not levying taxes, people pay more than they would in a traditional country for only the public services they need. In fact, the government makes more on tuition than it pays for education. I haven't started on healthcare yet. Only Defense, Education/Culture, Development, and Transport. Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 22:37, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfect.. but... why are the government going to give "public services" even if they are paid ones? If you dont collect taxes, let the private enterprise providing services and reduce your "state machinery" to de minimum. --BIPU 22:54, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I feel the state does a better job of providing a consistent education, being the same organization. Different companies providing public education would result in widely varying quality, which would be bad for the future. I've been thinking about privatising the railroads, but the excuse for now is that it's too critical to national security and trade. As for internet service, that's solidly under the category of run-by-the-state-because-of-national-security, because the IDN is an important part of SDO communications and command and control. All of the other public services that I can think of are privately operated, with the federal gov't distributing the funds paid by residents by prefecture, and retaining a portion for government operations. Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:08, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * About the education, the state can (must) regulate the minimum contents of all educational levels at least until the university. Once these contents are regulate, any private educational company can do the job maintaining the quality. Really I think that private education is allways better than public one becouse of the competitivity. In a free educational market, you can choose a better school for your children if you want and this enhances the quality becouse no school wants to loose their clients. In a public system, you have to send your childrem to the school the state has assigned to you the school dont need to be a good one to get customers.--BIPU 23:20, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * About the railway, if you consider it a matter of security you can privatize the operation of the lines and maintain a state operation and maintenance of the infraestructure. See: Union National Rail Administration --BIPU 23:20, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I still believe the state can provide a better education. I think that competition would hurt students' education, because companies will cut corners to improve margins. And no, under this system, schools aren't assigned. You can send your child to any school in the country, although it might become unreasonable for a kindergartner in say, Tokyo, to go to an elite school in Beijing. As per railways, a recent experiment of mine concluded that privitisation is actually bad for consumers. A trip in Britain (with its privatized rail operations) is more expensive and slower than a comparable trip in the United States (with its nationalized rail operations). Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:25, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * About the railways, its obvious why State is better in the current system, taxation and regulation harm private industries, these need to be low for them to be able to prove better than state industries, the current system in the UK has medium tax and high regulation making it almost impossible for competition to flourish. Nationalised systems are less affected by regulation and not at all by taxation, making them superior in such situations however when you lower taxes and deregulate private groups come into their own. Kunarian 23:38, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * On Education, competition benefits the final or tertiary stages of education, the area that really decides your career choice and professional level. Privatisation on that area is good for that reason and for the reason that it is fairer on those with less wealth who rarely enter tertiary education and therefore will not be laden with the burden of tax to fund something that most of its attendees can afford. With primary and secondary, these should be done by the state as far as I can see, this way you can guarantee that everyone gets a good standard of education at a lower price, so that they will not be at a complete disadvantage for not having attended tertiary education. However to achieve this you must promote competition within the system. Kunarian 23:44, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just my two cents on this rare piece of debate. Kunarian 23:44, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I'll start a budget article, so you can take a look. Woogers - talk 23:47, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Or, actually no. There's not enough for that. Woogers - talk 23:50, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Idea
I had an idea liked to your Esukadi nation. I was hoping to take over France and upon the declaration of Euskadi independence they come in to take control of Catalonia and Aragon. I was thinking perhaps there could be a war of Francoist Spain vs. Euskadi and France, you see. MMunson 02:02, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

It could be interesting but I see it later in time. After WWII France and Euskadi had some "tensions" becouse of Euskadi refused to return France the territories taken during WWII and Vicy France. I'm sure that this tensions become lower in a few years.

You can say that France went to help Catalonian independentists during the 60s or 70s (although in this case you should explain why instead of independence they are in France lol ). In that case, it is possible that you could count with any kind of help from Euskadi. What do you think?? --BIPU 02:25, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Are you going to abandon East Bulgaria?? --BIPU 02:28, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not abandoning East Bulgaria, but I'll probably leave Philippines.
 * Please, consider it and put the nation for deletion in order to be open for other players.--BIPU 09:21, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly the Spanish Ciliv War seemed the best opportunity for France to move in. Since Franco was against autonomies France took over and promised that to Catalonia and Aragon. During WWII Vichy France was invaded by Euskadi and France lost land. In the 50's De Gaulle consolidated his power and in '68-'70 there was a civil war. That's what I have so far. Also you can check out my French Republic page, its all there.MMunson 02:39, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ok.. I´m really happy to have "played" neighbours nations. Anyway, please, if acept my advice, dont start France to leave her next week. France is a "core" nation of Europe and what you plann for her would affect the whole continent. Anyway, dont forget East Bulgara becouse the communist bloc needs it!!!!! You have a huge work with these two nations. Good luck!!!--BIPU 09:21, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Its lots of work but I can manage it. France will be a big ally of Europa, Spain, UK and Euskadi. I won't leave East Bulgaria, it's my main nation. MMunson 23:51, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Currency exchange
I have no idea how to find values I've put in kroner to their value in dollars. (1 kroner = 1.32 dollars) Synthic 12:57, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

It is hard to imagine without a heavy economic background of the nation. Really... it is impossible :) An idea could be that as you are playing a nation where there were three quite similar currencies, you can choose the average value or even one of the three. Today, for example, 1 dollar is 5.75 norwegian krones.

Nevertheless, and becouse we dont play heavy economic matters, currency es a matter without importance in FW. --BIPU 13:04, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I thought you might know. I guess I'll just multiply it by 1.32 from now on then. lol. Also I'm from Norway:) Synthic 13:09, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Dont waste too many time with currencies becouse they have no importance in FW :) Ah.. Norway... I allways wanted to be norwegian  lol  :) --BIPU 13:15, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

European Economic Alliance
Hey BIPU, would you be interested (with Euskadi) in joining an economic alliance, the European Economic and Trade Alliance. It would be like the EU but purely economic for now and would consist of other nations like Europa, Spain, Austria, West Germany and others. HORTON11 : •  13:06, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Euskadi would be interested. --BIPU 13:15, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Great! HORTON11 : •  13:26, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

BTW could I use the map you have for the DDR for the ETA, to just highlight the member states? HORTON11 : •  14:54, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course...sure !! --BIPU 15:03, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Skandinavisk GDP
I personally believe making it higher is wrong. The GDP was the work of intense budgeting that I saw when I started making the Nation. My calculations showed that I wasn't spending enough, so therefore, I made some edits to the GDP and my spending amount to balance it out. I did this because if I had left it I would have 26 trillion kroner in my national bank. Synthic 18:37, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfect... its yours :) --BIPU 18:45, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

NAtech
It's becoming an Euskadi company right? Synthic 21:47, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

I´d like and I'm working on this now. Tell me if you have interest in my old Union stuff... have a look here Baltic Union top companies and tell me if you want to use some of them becouse most of them are not suitables to readapt and be used in Euskadi. Natech is special becouse is the core company of the hydrogen economy I`m using for Euskadi. Of course I will edit all the references to BU but if you dont have any problem Natech could have a factory in Skandinavia. I would like to maintain Terma Natech Aerospace as Natech purchasing a Danish company. OK?--BIPU 21:55, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

You do what you want, I'm still focusing on my military and relations at the moment. Synthic 21:59, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

What are you planning to do with the huge oil and natural gas reserves your nation has?--BIPU 22:03, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

China: See the talk page. Synthic 22:04, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oil usually is a stupid thing in FW because all we say that we have wonderfull and amazing technologies to avoid it but I like to use oil stuff :) You say you are not using oil and gas so how are your vehicles powered?--BIPU 22:10, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Allied States is dirt without its oil. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 15:57, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * ASA is a strange nation in FW... lol... In some days I will open a process to grant new permits in the oil camps of Nyanga. (Euskadi territory in FW; Gabon territory IRL) Maybe some companies from ASA could be interested. --BIPU 16:25, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I always use Texan Universal Oil for my oil ventures. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 16:48, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

You know what we should do, a collective security program with Western European nations and esentially gat the country to cooperate on military intelligence, operations and get companies to work together and have the armies of Europe using European military equipment. HORTON11 : •  15:24, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I`m allways open (as player) to develop joint industrial projets with other players. Euskadi as nation, and companies from Euskadi could be interested in developing (as we are doing now) defense industry projects jointly with other european nations. Anyway, they could be interested in doing the same with companies worldwide (excepting the obvious :)). Euskadi is not a big supporter of European integration and dont feel a collaboration with an european nation better than an american or an asian. Anyway, as Europa (your nation) is developing an interesting industry be sure that Euskadi will collaborate. --BIPU 16:25, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Cars, planes and boats use oil of course... I just am giving what I don't need to China... lol Synthic 22:54, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Roleplay
I remember you wanted to roleplay a potential expanision of the European Economic and Trade Alliance. We can do so at the Lisbon Conference, I will open up the discussion (as the Portuguese President, who is host) and then we can argue on proposals. HORTON11 : •  18:59, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

OK but maybe we should wait to FW 3.0 to start new stories. --BIPU 20:12, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

ATLB


You're now the new Director of the Acquisition, Technology and Logistics Bureau of the Allied States Department of Defense. Congratulations! xD -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 18:24, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well.... I dont know what to say...mmmm.... of course it is an honour for me!!! lol
 * I will give you some help if you need but not be hurry cause I have too many fronts opened at this moment!!!! --BIPU 18:27, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

xD I'll definitely ask you to help me with my military industry in the future. You're really great with developing industries. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 18:28, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sure I will help you :) --BIPU 18:31, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Your Duty


Our most humble authority has appointed you as the the Chairman of the Board of Corporate Cooperation and Requisitions for the Skandinavisk Forsvaret, Signed Steven Tolgfors. BECAUSE I AM NOT GOOD WITH THE MILITARY STUFF. Synthic 22:34, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * He already pledged allegiance to the Allied States, get your own. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 22:39, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Double agent. Synthic 22:40, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok for you too... but I have to think what you (two) can do for me... :) This is easier than ASA because I can recycle part of Baltic Union stuff I made. --BIPU 22:56, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll triple whatever he's paying you. I can also offer a beach house in Malibu. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 23:13, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll multiply that triple by ten. Synthic 01:18, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I will change the house in Malibu for an article about basque culture :) (I will give you the sources to get info) and mybe some other articles for Euskadi or DDR. --BIPU 07:19, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * An article about culture. Hmm. I can't promise miracles but I'll give it a go if you gimme those sources. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 10:45, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I'll take whatever job BIPU turns down. I know some things about military equipment, and have particular interest in airplanes. Woogers - talk 23:22, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

I remember I created this page some time ago: World Military Contractors (FW). First of all is to eliminate the no existing nations and then try to actualize it. It is a good starting point to know what kind of military stuff is manufactured in each nation and to set what companies are open to RP stories about military deals. --BIPU 23:27, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Map Game
i made a new map game, wanna join?

Something Changed (Map Game)

DeanSims 18:04, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

are you going to play the game?DeanSims 19:09, April 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not by the moment because I dont see the way to play. If you are wantint to play a "risk type" game, you should establish a number of rules that you have not establish yet, and if you want to play a more complex game the turn structure wont work. I´m sorry but I see you idea so inconsistent by the moment.--BIPU 19:13, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * check out alhistory wiki, this is how they work there. DeanSims 19:18, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

A question
How can you write that much? IS THERE A SECRET I DON'T KNOW? :/ Synthic 23:07, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

lol I dont sleep :) --BIPU 23:09, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

And for the last things I wrote about DDR politics, they are much wikipedia with some modifications made and some others to do in order to adapt it to the FW DDR.--BIPU 23:09, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

I find sleep rarely aswell, but I find it difficult to write from scratch. Synthic 23:11, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose it depends on what are we writing about. I write from scratch those articles related to economy, energy and even military but I need to look for "inspiration" when I write about politics, judiciary, etc. Sometimes I look for something made and I try to adapt it to my needs.--BIPU 23:18, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Summit
We need a comprehensive East Asia-Euskadi summit. Or maybe I could just have an East Asia Exposition, because I need to strike major deals with Euskadi, Skandinavia, and the rest of you Westerners to fill gaps in my articles. Woogers - talk 20:32, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you should have an European tour and visit several countries. Euskadi, France, Skandinavia, Benelux, Europa and even DDR. Some ministers and why not the "prime minister" (your equivalent) could be realistic becouse it is too far to make several trips.--BIPU 21:19, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Will have to schedule something. How open is the DDR to outside emissaries? And when is it okay for a stop in Euskadi? Woogers - talk 21:21, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

No problem with DDR. Think that my idea of DDR is something like China. Strong in the "German Socialist" values, opposite to the "american cowboys" adn its allies and relatively open in economic matters. Really in the last years there were many changes to open the economy. (Have a look to DDR history). East Asia could be a good economic partner for DDR becouse it would mean a huge market and becouse politically EAF maybe is not an ally but it can be a partner.

No problem with dates to visiting Euskadi, but in this moment Foreign Minister is in Cascadia. She will return un a couple of days.--BIPU 21:31, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

How about we start next week? Woogers - talk 21:32, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Perfect for me. An article for the meeting?--BIPU 21:36, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

I'll write it as soon as I talk to the other involved parties and get a schedule done. Woogers - talk 21:40, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Got a basic itenerary plotted: How's that sound? Woogers - talk 22:44, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Two days in London
 * One day Brussels
 * Two days in Paris
 * One day in Vitoria-Gasteiz
 * One day in Bonn
 * One day in Berlin
 * One day in Trieste
 * Three days in Copenhagen

Ok for me... maybe one night in Berlin to go to the opera? --BIPU 22:55, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Two days in Berlin, then. Woogers - talk (Flag of Ivalice.pngFlag of the East Asian Federation.png) 23:17, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

I will assure you that the finest accommodations will be made for you without charge. Dinners will also be planned to only the finest of Skandinavisk restaurants, and everything will be high quality. The toilet paper will be made out of satin, gold and silk if you wish for it. Synthic 23:01, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Gold toilet paper will only do damage. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 23:06, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

I always wipe my doo doo butter with the finest of silks. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 23:12, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * The monark does too; YOU SHOULD MAKE A CLUB! :D Synthic 23:13, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Recent events have changed the schedule. Due to Sunkist's interference and Horton's semi-inactivity and indecision, will not be stopping in the UK or Europa, so here's what we have now: Two week trip. Woogers - talk 10:50, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Two days in Berlin
 * One day in Bonn
 * Three days in Copenhagen
 * Two days in Brussels
 * One day in Bern
 * Two days in Paris
 * Two days in Vitoria-Gasteiz
 * One day in Madrid

New companies
Hey, I know it's a lot to ask, but I've finally gotten around to adding those companies I bought from MineCraftian in 2011 to the EcruFox Corporation. I know nothing about military logistics and all that jazz so could you please read through Escadar Armory, Odolus Motors, Conso Dynamics and Preto Mesa and make sure everything is realistic? I would appreciate it! -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 19:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, as you sure know our old friend Minecraftian has (like others lately) some problems with sizes, costs and some other "reality" matters. He made a good work trying to develop companies but he oversized them in technology, production, etc. In addition, he said that stuff costs were totally ridiculous. All this things that we thought finalished are current issues today again.


 * Escadar Armory, is not bad at all. It is a good small weapons company but in my opinion a company manufacturing rifles and pistols maybe is not the best to manufacture high tech fighters. I think you should cut the aerospace and leave Escadar as arms and armoured vehicles manufacturer. Its planes flying at Mach 6 I`m afraid are toooooooo oversized. Finally, 700k employees is more than two times GE people and GE is the largest company in the world by number of employees.
 * Odolus Motors, well... here there are more to change. First of all, again, it is not easy for a single company to manufacture vehicles, planes, aircraft carriers.... I think you should reorganize all the south american companies and try to specialize them. In addirion the cost of stuff is totally riduculous...a plane for $40,000??????? An armoured car for $23,000???? Please... it is totally riduculous. YOu should delete all cost references in Minecraftian articles.
 * Conso Dynamics is quite good. Maybe you could explain a bit more about the different missile classes.
 * Preto Mesa. Well... you should develop the different planes and I cant comment the other star wars stuff.--BIPU 21:41, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You gave me a good basis to work from. I'll be updating them when I get another few minutes. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 21:45, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Anyway... I dont know what a texan voter could think if he was unenployed and see his government spending million dollars in weapons manufactured in Venezuela... :) --BIPU 21:50, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Nah this is all private stuff of the EcruFox Corporation. The government only owns parts of the company which makes the ballistic missiles, for obvious reasons xD -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 21:52, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Trade mission
At your earliest convenience, we can begin discussion of trade, trust, peace, happiness, and culture. The delegation will be in Berlin for the next few days. Woogers - talk 18:16, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I plan to write this nigh or tomorrow morning (here) the matters I would like to discuss for DDR and Euskadi. I will use the talk page you created. --BIPU 18:21, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Alrighty! Woogers - talk 18:29, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Template Issue
Hey, I checked out you budget infobox issue, and it appears that the infobox doesn't exist. That's from what I've been able to find. It would appear that you'd have to make the template by scratch, or just find an existing one elsewhere, and copy that one to make a new template. --"Truth fears no questions..." 17:51, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * The template is a wikipedia template.
 * I usually have problems adding new templates :) and this is why I asked for help. I have messaged to Super in order to help me. Thank you. --BIPU 17:55, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Then please
Then please explain the logic of me having two accounts at once with one being the EXACT opposite of myself. And besides, me and Viva don't even have the same writing styles. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Skandinavia - Baltic Republic - Oil City - Mozambique   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 23:34, May 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Lets play the funny way we have been playing last months. I like the way you conduct Skandinavia. Dont make me think strange things. :)

The End.--BIPU 23:43, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Now you are here... have a look to the talk page of Skandinavia foreign relations. --BIPU 23:46, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

"Skandinavia foreign relations" does not exist; it much less has a talk page. 77topaz 12:09, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * ??????? Foreign Relations of Skandinavia--BIPU 12:28, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

21th Century World
See: 21st Century World

21CW
Future World is falling apart in front of my eyes, and I'm starting to lose taste for it. Once you have your thoughts cleared, I would very much like to assist you with 21st Century World, as it looks like it will be freer and fairer for those involved. Please do not hesitate to ask for my assistance if needed. Woogers - talk 01:43, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I´m glad with your offering and be sure I will count with you if finally I will go ahead with 21CW. Thanks.--BIPU 07:52, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Describe any issues you have with FW and we can work on fixing these things. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 01:55, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

I dont want to leave FW and I will work from my postition to help any way I can to make it work better. In my opinion, there are three issues in FW that bring problems to the game:
 * The total disregard for the money and the cost of things. It is not if the technology or artifacts are more or less futuristic, but whether "this" or "that" nation can afford them. As nobody takes money into consideration, every nation claims fot imposible things. Money should be the firs limit.
 * In my opinion, you have to to set clearly the limits of the game. They can be more or less futuristic or more or less realistic but they must be clearly set to avoid a problem every time a new nation comes into the game. Economic limits, military limits, etc. (For example, there are a new nation called Pakistan that claim to have a GDP over 7 trillions from several days ago and I am the only who has commented the page. All new players must know limits before starting playing.)
 * Finally, if a nation begins writing impossible things, it is necessary an action concerning the administrator to keep the players begin to argue among themselves and generate large and unnecessary conflicts. In any RPG, from time to time admin decisions are needed to keep the true spirit of the game no matter what the outside.--BIPU 07:52, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Adminship
Hi BIPU, I've promoted you to adminship. I've seen a lot of your edits, your pages, and your thoughts, and I think you deserve and are capable of the job. Well done. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:41, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

I wanted the congratulate you on your recent adminship. I thought something was off when I looked at your user page. Now I really have a reason to fear you. Congratulations! XD --"Truth fears no questions..." 22:25, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * :) --BIPU 23:07, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Trade Mission
I don't know if you read it or not, but I need some help with the direction of the trade mission article. I'm kinda lost and there's not much to base it on. Woogers - talk 04:00, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I have been on a work trip this week and my FW time was very limited. I hope to resume my FW activity tomorrow. I will have a look to the article.--BIPU 18:00, May 10, 2012 (UTC)