Talk:Republic of Atlion

Scale of the map


We need to start working on this. This is my proposal. Roughly the size of Alaska. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 20:26, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

I love it. Nice placement Super. --"Truth fears no questions..." 20:41, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

I am going to accept my ugly 60-second placement as fact if we don't start discussing it. We need a scale, otherwise, for all I know, that "tiny" island in Broker is bigger than Long Island. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 14:03, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

States
I have talked to KK and she wishes involvement with a southern region in warmer climate. I'll be taking that northern Oregon/Washington area I suppose. I also am waiting to hear from Psyrax. Has anyone heard from Woogers yet? Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 00:05, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I has question, how are we going to shove more states (users) onto the island? And what will we do if a user goes inactive for a long amount of time. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 01:41, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Okay then... (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 01:43, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I like this arrangement. --"Truth fears no questions..." 01:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

If someone goes inactive, it can become a blank, based on that user's stuff, continues to act the way it did previously. Another new player can adopt it as well. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 01:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a map for everyone to place their states. --"Truth fears no questions..." 02:08, September 5, 2012 (UTC)



Nobody is going to want that middle state, its all just mountains. -Sunkist- (talk) 07:11, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible for me to get in on this? Or have all states gone? --Falloutfan08 (talk) 07:15, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ask UP, I have no real control. -Sunkist- (talk) 07:18, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Also, I really don't want to be treated like a territory in which you populated states think you can just divide me up. I don't support this map. -Sunkist- (talk) 07:36, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

well HamHam said he was getting other players and looks like you guys just made up your own land grabs before others could confirm they were joinin... :p kkthxbai TS KITTYKAITI :3 :4 lol 08:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

No your wrong, we made the idea collectivly, and I based the map off what we wanted. The eastern states were heavily populated, with the west farmlands. But, I refuse to play as Ackerland know that I know it will be split up. -Sunkist- (talk) 08:10, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Idea
Alright, I understand that Ackerland is extremely large. This is my proposal. We divide the former Ackerland Territory into several states, in which the congress sees fit to suit the incoming flow of players. I'll turn the page into a past Territory page. If I do this, I'd really like to switch then to the northern tip. I'll propose a map. -Sunkist- (talk) 07:50, September 5, 2012 (UTC)



Wow, it seems like every major contributor here except me, Enclavehunter and Fallout already has a state, and there's no space left. :P 77topaz (talk) 08:21, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I've divided up the Ackerland Territory, there is now 4 more states now in the Union. -Sunkist- (talk) 08:24, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

The long one on the western side the one that looks kinda like Norway I want, if thats okay with y'all. -Sunkist- (talk) 08:27, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Bro, I told you guys last night that I was still confirming players. The map needs to either be further divvied for everyone who is joining or the land mass redesigned to hold further players, including Viva's island idea. We have four more people now, including KK, Psyrax, topaz, Enclave and still waiting on Woogers or Fallout. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 08:42, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't here! I divided up the map! AND I never told anyone these were the final places, I had just thought we had a formal idea. -Sunkist- (talk) 08:43, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Okay then, which of these two maps to the right is the one we will use. Be sure to re-include Viva's island. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 08:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it depends, are we expecting to get more players in the future? -Sunkist- (talk) 08:48, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

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Have you people completely forgotten the idea behind this game? Not everyone is supposed to be a Governor. Some players can hold cabinet positions, others can be dedicated Senators. Some could be mayors in our territories. Why do we need to do it like this? The players in the middle won't have a coastline, and eventually, they'll whine like whining has gone out of fashion. All our states must have a coastline, otherwise, this is a recipe for disaster.

Also, we NEED to know where our independent capital region will be before we sell off all the land. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 10:11, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I fall asleep for a couple and Albion has already been Balkanized? And I agree with Super, we need to know where the capital is going to be before making any further decision. However, I don't agree with the political idea he stated. Super, people want power, and want to design their own areas. The more users playing as governors, the diverse and deeper the islands political and historical atmosphere. We can all still make politicians for Albion, but we want them to be for our states in Albion. --"Truth fears no questions..." 13:53, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well then, it's a shame I have stumbled into yet another power-grabbing match. Seriously... when are people just going to start wanting to conworld? -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 14:01, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

No idea. This is why I wanted the island. Because I knew this was going to happen. The land is moving across the map than Poland in the middle of a three-way conflict (ta dump). Now that I've got that, I can develop it while everyone else decide want they want. I'm just waiting for the smoke to clear so something actually happens. --"Truth fears no questions..." 14:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'll take anything, I don't really mind which part I get, if I'm going to be included. --Falloutfan08 (talk) 14:45, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

State feeling and general atmosphere
I quickly made this, which will compare our respective regions to how it looks in these areas of the United States and Canada, so we can associate better. This in now way has anything to do with the culture and what happens there, just how you should see it visually:

http://gyazo.com/5c669cbcd14d9bba1705f06159f426fe

-Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 14:21, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

The northern half of Ixania is more like Washington and British Columbia. The southern half is much as you described it, though with more Florida and Louisana thrown in. --"Truth fears no questions..." 14:27, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Population
We're gonna have to have multiple conversations at once, this is going slow. I am proposing Atlion's population to stand at 150 million people, with Broker hosting the majority by at least 10 million. Discuss. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 15:53, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree to this. Though I wish to have the third-largest population. --"Truth fears no questions..." 15:57, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

This is my idea for the population rankings, but I still haven't thought of exact numbers yet: http://gyazo.com/076eac5622916c8b51400d114210b58b

-Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 18:36, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with this, though I always thought KK's region would have the second-largest population. And on a totally unrelated point, would it be possible for states to have governmental titles unique to themselves? I ask since I wished to used the title Imperator for the governor of Ixania. Kinda like the title of King used by African tribal states even though the actual government has all the power. More of a pride thing. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 18:43, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

We have yet to draft Atlion's first constitution which will outline our states' rights. So until then, let's keep it generic with Governor. With the population thing, I don't want Ham, who came up with the idea, to sit with a piss cold sparsely populated North Dakota, so I made him second for that OOC reason... -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 18:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Makes sense. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 18:48, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Climate map looks good. I don't mind the Washington/Oregon area. I was planning my state to contain industrial and naval ports, some state/national parks and at least one major city. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 22:06, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Summary
I'm interested, what's going on here? Woogers - talk 19:22, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, its a idea suggested by UP as a place where all the users can work together to make a single nation. We were all waiting for you to pop back after your trip, and wanted to know which area would like to work on. Super suggested you get the capital district of Albion (the island), or work on a state, of which there open spots open should your wish to play. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 19:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

The capital sounds nice, because I could focus my efforts on a smaller area. Sign me up! Are there any more details, or is it still being worked out? Woogers - talk 19:41, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

That's great, but I don't know which rights you'll have yet. Dunno if it will be like the US were Congress controls the city and the mayor has basically the least say of all. We need a constitution to detail the rights. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 19:43, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Congress does not completely control the city; it has moderate self-autonomy. It just has to have its budget approved by congress and doesn't have federal representation in the legislature. If I may make a suggestion, if you'd like to create a similar, but different, means of home rule, you can have each house of legislature and the executive appoint a member to the governing body of the city or region, be it city council or regional assembly. I also have some insight into relations between the capital and neighboring states, should you decide to limit the capital region to just a city. Woogers - talk 19:53, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

We have a unicameral legislature, so they can only appoint one, and the executive one. I am not sure what UP's plans are yet. I want to get starting with the constitution though. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 20:35, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Woogers, being our resident Washington DC'r on this Wiki, shall retain control of the capital district. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 22:08, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

So is the nation's background French? Should I head in that direction for preplanning? Any ideas on a name, or is that my job? Any other details I need to know about? Woogers - talk 00:10, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'd say mostly European, between British and French with apparently in the northwest, Scandinavians but preferably with a large amount of United States influences since American independence in 1776. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 00:28, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

You really don't need to worry about having to condone to me, no need to add any Scandinavian influence..it's really hard to do so with western European cultures. The people of Älskadeland love Atlion for what it is, and will support it in light or dark. We are the Minnesota of Atlion, we are forever loyal. ---Sunkist- (talk) 00:37, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

And Ixania shall be the Texas of Atlion. Once an empire, always an empire. Our loyalty may be in doubt, but we know where the biggest paycheck will come from. Just keep buying our s**t, and we're good. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 00:44, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Any ideas for where to put the capital? I was thinking the border area between KK and MC, in the NorCal climate zone. Also, size and character? Some comparisons: US and Mexico - state-independent city/federal district, UK and France - region-level city & suburbs, Germany, China, Japan, and South Korea - state-level city, Italy and Canada - city within a state Woogers - talk 03:26, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Anybody here skilled enough with SVG to create Vlorast's flag for me? The design is: a black background, with a large, yellow, eight-pointed star on the left side, and three smaller, white, five-pointed stars pointing up in a vertical row on the right side. 77topaz (talk) 04:49, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

How's Luminaire sound for a capital name? Shortened from Ville-Luminaire, something rough adapted from French for City of Lights. Also, I see Super Warmonkey pegged the capital between Broker and Intima on the Broker article, which is fine as well. Woogers - talk 20:23, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

My modem has been destroyed by the weather... I'll still be able to see what goes on here from my phone (Galaxy S 3 :>) but won't be able to edit. Please delay the constitution until I can get access again.. or not, if you feel the need to continue. Also, I think the capital should be between Mc qnd kk's area or between mine and kk. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 22:38, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to take too much of already claimed land, so how much are you all willing to give for the capital area? Woogers - talk 18:33, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well, that depends on which you'd think is better. Do you want a city, a smallish county or a largish county? -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 18:35, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a preference. Up to you all. Woogers - talk 20:42, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

There's Russian/East European influence/culture in Vlorast, BTW. 77topaz (talk) 07:06, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Before everyone drops out, I would like to note that I am still committed to this, and am willing to put time and resources into it. Since it appears that no one else has a preference, either, I'll model the capital region on what I know. I request a city district, being the capital itself, and five suburban counties, preferably along a river. Since the border between Broker and Intima is jagged and not in the mountain area, I am assuming this is a major river. I would like the city and two counties to be on the Broker side, and the other three counties on the Intima side.

Additionally, we have to work out the details of governance. The idea of government representatives in city government was brought up, and the only opinion expressed was assent, so I'll assume this is the way to go. Give me an area allocation in terms of size and general area, and I will begin work. Woogers - talk 17:31, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Whatever you want in Broker, you got it, just show it to me. I am the government/legal guy here, so I won't have the slightest idea of giving you details about the area. We haven't even touched geography of Atlion so the geography of the capital is what you want it to be. From the north of Broker, the country's "main" mountains (like the Rockies in the US) enters the state, however, isn't really close to the border. I will vote for giving you carte blanche in the governance of the capital. We don't have to model this on the US, and since the constitution will probably be null and void after most senators vote against making it legally binding, you don't have to worry about any constitutional provisions. Just start with the capital article and then we can discuss something things there later on. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 18:55, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

According to wikiped, Washington was the first actual capital district set aside for the express purpose of being the seat of the national government; that was in 1800. When was Atlion founded? Woogers - talk 19:09, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Nobody knows. Things are going EXTREMELY slow around here, but Atlion, being half way between the US and Europe, would have been founded before the US, however, they may have established their capital before us. Finish the generics of the article for now, and perhaps when Ham has a day off, we can do the history. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 19:18, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Palo Alto
Can i join in this Palo Alto (talk) 01:08, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. There's two states left: the middle one of the long states in the southwest (the one between Edwardsland and Vlorast and the northern of the landlocked states. 77topaz (talk) 03:20, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget, you can also be the mayor of a city of your choosing, serve in the cabinet, or do basically whatever else you want (within reason). -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 15:21, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

OK

Palo Alto (talk) 00:22, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

President and cabinet
We need to elect a president for a one year term before the next election. Four years would be ideal, but this wikia may not even exist then. We may pass the limitless terms provision in the constitution, which will allow us to reelect the same guy over and over if we want. I think elections should be held 1 June every year, neatly in the middle of the year. Also, everyone can put their bids for certain cabinet or office positions here. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 15:21, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Realistically speaking, one-year terms would cause government to become an endless campaign for election, and no work would get done. That probably doesn't have any bearing on the way we work here, but it would likely need to be changed for articles. Woogers - talk 16:24, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I guess it can be changed for articles, I just don't know how we're gonna do that, since we play one day at a time. If we start doing this whole 1 RL day = 4 IG days thing, I am gonna have to leave, since I just can't play like that and lose track of time. Perhaps we can justify it by saying that candidates can only start campaigning one month beforehand, and because we have a limitless terms system, elections wouldn't be such a big deal. I dunno, we have to think of something. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 16:42, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Limiting the campaign could work. Make it two or three months, though. Woogers - talk 16:51, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Presidential nominations

 * I nominate Ham Ham Time. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 15:21, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I nominate/vote for Ham Ham Time (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 20:30, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * ( I don't know if I'm still able to but..) I nominate Ham Ham Time. -Sunkist- (talk) 03:35, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I nominate/vote for Ham Ham LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 03:26, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I nominate Woogers. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 15:23, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I nominate Woogers --Falloutfan08 (talk) 16:42, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Cabinet/office position bids

 * I am making a bid for Attorney General. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 15:21, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am making a bid for Secretary of State/Defense. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 15:23, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to bid for Secretary of the Environment (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (   Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 20:30, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to bid for Secretary of Defense & Health. -Sunkist- (talk) 00:01, September 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to bid for Home Secretary --Falloutfan08 (talk) 20:39, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ackerland
We need to return Ackerland to its old state. We had an agreement with Sunkist, and now he doesn't have what he requested; the most farms and plains. I think it's unfair, considering we all got what we wanted. I'll divide my state in two, but want to keep my population. UP and MC, would you be willing to break of small quarters of your states? -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 19:38, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I personally think Sagesse is way to big for my city based population. Yes, from the north and west but I must stress that it is important you show me what you are taking off before you make it cannon. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 20:29, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Sunkist seems to not want to participate here anymore, so the issue, I guess, is no more. 77topaz (talk) 00:39, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

The guy needs to commit to something for once. He's been jumping since before I first showed up. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 01:20, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Are you serious..I had been divided up..I NEVER MOVED. Wow, just wow. Also I don't want anyone dividing anyones states up, it'll make the map look bad. -Sunkist- (talk) 01:22, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I wanted to make more islands for the sole reasons that no one's state be divided up. It just makes the map look tacky. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 01:30, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

You just said, "This guy needs to commit to somthing for once..". Now you say, "I agree" Viva, stop insulting people and then being two faced after you're proven wrong. -Sunkist- (talk) 01:39, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oh no, you do need to commit to something, after your jumping from nation to nation, and from game to game. I was just agreeing with the fact that the states keep shifting on the map. And your in no place to say anything, considering you've insulted me moreso than UP and Super combined, such as your skarky little comment on Kalibara's history page. And did I state anywhere that I was changing my stance? No. And you never told me what I was wrong for. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 02:12, September 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Guys. This is a community, and not a DMZ. Get over yourselves, because we have MUCH bigger things to deal with. IE WE JUST CREATED PROBABLY THE MOST MASSIVE PROJECT THAT WILL EXIST ON THIS WIKI OVER SOME TIME>. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 03:51, September 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Your right. I've got more important things to do than argue. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 05:07, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Mountains
Dark brown is Rockies type mountians, light brown is like the Applachians. I was wanting to move to the central state and be the West Virginia of Atlion..dividing up the western state even more and giving people more options for states. I'm happy with this plan. -Sunkist- (talk) 22:04, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

The borders on this map are not the normal ones, and this map in fact has less states. Also, I think Edwardsland is supposed to be all plains except the north tip. 77topaz (talk) 22:38, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a new map, giving people more sea area as well with more states. Tell me what you think. -Sunkist- (talk) 23:01, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Too mountainous, no capital region. Woogers - talk 23:14, September 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * The border between Intima and Broker are fairly flat. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px]] 23:17, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

How adorable. Silly mainlanders... :P ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 23:16, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

The capital on this map has no mountains in it's area..---Sunkist- (talk) 23:19, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Edwardsland is almost completely flat, apart from the North-West --Falloutfan08 (talk) 23:34, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

What's with my state now being a gigantic mountain? LIKE A BOSS, PSYRAX (Speak Your Peace) 00:23, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna trade you for my territory for yours. I was wanting to be the Appalachians of Atlion. If thats okay with you. You'd get a sea bound territory. ---Sunkist- (talk) 00:29, September 9, 2012 (UTC) Map with the real borders. ---Sunkist- (talk) 00:51, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

The current borders (proposal 3) are good. United Planets even called them "perfect". This map looks less good, and people have already started detailing their states, so this would interfere with everything. 77topaz (talk) 01:04, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Those maps don't all have the same borders, anyway. :P 77topaz (talk) 01:07, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make a map of your current proposal without mountains on it so one can see the borders? And label it as such. This big stack of maps is not very... understandable. 77topaz (talk) 01:10, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

or change the border color Palo Alto (talk) 01:24, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Maps


ATTENTION: This is the map. Stop fucking with it. I can't believe that dividing up states is such an issue. So, listen to this.


 * 1: The map I uploaded is the final and current map. That is that. Period.
 * 2: There will be no civil wars, invasions or secessions. This is not Future World. This is one country and a Democracy.
 * 3: States cannot ignore the Constitution. Viva, you cannot make you state ignore the government, nor can you make your state law of Dionism trump the national Constitution. This is not FW. This is a joint project of one unified country. This kind of dumb absurd crap is not allowed.

In order for this project to get anywhere, we need to abide by a set rule and system, which I have stated above. You all have your states now, design them, your character, political parties, etc. There will be NO moving around, dropping states, changing shit because you are bored. This is not FW (Sunkist and Viva). Pick your spot, stick with it. If you drop out, you will NOT return. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 02:12, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just trying to help out with the mountains.. I made the origional state borders for that reason..for the Islands landforms. Ham Ham, I never moved- I've been moved. Y'all made me move. -Sunkist- (talk) 02:27, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Depending on the outcome of this game, I'm might leave as well. No go will come of the in-fighting, inability to decide who wants what, or the fact that the progess of this nation is slower than molasses. I have no plans of wasting my time and energy on a game that might end up DOA. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 03:20, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

DOA? 77topaz (talk) 05:29, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Dead On Arrival. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 05:55, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

The only reason it seems to be dying is because of childish arguing over state borders like this is some FW game. Borders don't matter, move on and develop your states and characters. This should be a non-issue. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 06:04, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

UP, I'd be willing to make Sagesse smaller in either population or literal size to help accomidate what everyone wants. I just generally want a smaller version of France. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 06:08, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Could we please talk about this on the chat about these borders. -Sunkist- (talk) 06:11, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Also, could someone PLEASE make an unanti-analised huge version of the map? It is incredibly annoying trying to make subdivisions and alike. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 06:36, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

You mean non-anti-aliased (aliased)? And did I miss anything? 77topaz (talk) 07:41, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

By the way, changing the borders will mess up everybody's history and maps. Also, Fallout, KK and Psyrax haven't commented on this yet as far as I'm aware, so maybe we should wait until we hear from them. 77topaz (talk) 07:45, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

We don't need to change borders do we? --Falloutfan08 (talk) 08:01, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

No. UP has even forbidden it. I think it's just Sunkist and MC. 77topaz (talk) 08:23, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Dude, you are seriously overestimating things, and you cannot read minds. I just want a version of the map that isn't fuzzy around the edges, in laymen's terms. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 08:33, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. You just want a higher-resolution, aliased map? That makes Sunkist the only person who wants the borders changed, then? 77topaz (talk) 09:22, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

I support Sunkist because the "Founding Fathers" of Atlion had an agreement an Sunkist is the only one who didn't get what he bargained for. It's unfair to say the least, but I would personally be grateful if Sunkist can accept the current state of affairs and we can move forward. '''HOWEVER, THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE EFFING FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T DECIDED UPON ALBION'S GEOGRAPHY! THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS WORLD AND WE NEED TO GET PAST THAT STEP VERY QUICKLY! -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 14:51, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hurricanes
Alright, so Albion lies in the middle of the Atlantic Hurricane Sector:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atlantic_hurricane_tracks.jpg

We would have been hit by Isaac, Leslie and Alberto in 2000 alone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Isaac_(2000) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Leslie_(2000) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Alberto_(2000)

We're gonna have to work on a story for this, since we'll be the Hurricane Country in the world. -Signed by Super Warmonkey, please refer to these pages for more: (talk • contribs) 16:05, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Things to Discuss
Some things I need background on, so we should discuss.

More Detailed Geography
Need things like locations of rivers and lakes, and names; Names of mountain ranges and climate sub-zones, tallest and lowest things, etc. Woogers - talk 16:39, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

I can't really give input here, except that Broker will have a lot of mountains in the north, and one very high mountain just to the north of Statesport, Mount Superior. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:02, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

National systems
Things like energy grid, electric companies, telecoms networks and companies, a country code, if we're not a part of NANPA, national railways, highways and the like, airports, etc. Woogers - talk 16:39, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

I guess it's up to us to develop companies, but I am not too sure about the other things. Statesport has two major airports, Fort Oky International Airport, to the northeast of the city, and Statesport International Airport, to the southwest. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:02, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Government structure
President, number of Senate members, judicial system, cabinet and cabinet-level positions and departments, law enforcement. Woogers - talk 16:39, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

We will elect the president by popular vote, and each of the players carries one vote in Senate and in elections regardless of the size of their state's population or size. The number of seats in Senate will just be a detail, since we have to keep the game aspect of this fair. So I assume we'll have seats in Senate as we have population in the country, like the USHR. The president we elect will choose his cabinet, but each of us must have a position. Like above, we can make bids for the position so the president-elect can see who wants what. Our federal law and law enforcement system will be like the US, I guess, with states deciding how they want LE in their respective territories, and Senate having the power to create federal LEA. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:02, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Autonomy for Ixania
I would like to propose making Ixania an autonomous state within Atlion. Why? Well first most of the population already disagrees with the central government on most issues of domestic policy, and given the OOC stuff, I know that something is going to go down with that. Second, in most OOC nations, giving regions which house large ethnic minorities (the Russian republics, i.e., like the Ixanians), a large religious group seperate for the majority (the Palestinians, i.e,. like the Ixanians), or states who's populations are generally opposed to the governance and laws of the national government (Greenland and the Faroe Islands, i.e., like the Ixanians). Third, Ixania used to be a nation, and my IC reason for having them join the Atlionese republic would be that they saw a chance to make a better check by selling their goods to the mainlanders, and would promised autonomy (hence the reason I still have them call home the "Honorable Union of Ixania", and not just the "State of Ixania"). Given up their four centuries old laws, bending their values and traditions for a bunch of softies, and being forced to do what they don't want was not part of their agreement with Atlion, at least thats how I planned it. Like with the map issue that I predicted days before people began whining about their state sizes and locations, I can see something happening between Ixania and Atlion, and the Republic of Atlion v. Ixania case keeps plauging my thoughts of the two together. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 18:54, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

I vote in opposition to this motion. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:56, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Opposed. See Quebec. Woogers - talk 19:26, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well, since I don't plan on sticking around, I will oppose this with military force. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 19:30, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Since UP already said that wasn't gonna happen, that's not gonna happen. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 19:32, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well that's the funny thing. I don't care what UP said. I'm disconnenting Ixania, and I'm doing it my way. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 19:36, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

I love how a wave of butthurt and depression has swept across this Wikia. I am going to have a subject in psychology next year at university, so, I might understand this better then. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 19:38, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well that kinda happens when you have a wiki based on 70% politics. I look forward to your profession explaination Professor Warmonkey. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 19:41, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

You'll get it, given I am not the only one who hasn't committed suicide by this time next year since I don't get everything I want in a role playing game. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 19:42, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

In unison with Woogers and Super, NO. Ham Ham Time (User/Talk/World/WAT) 20:08, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Nein (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 20:55, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly what I was thinking MC --Falloutfan08 (talk) 21:07, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Draft for the anthem
Oh did those men, of gilded sword,

Fight for the freedom of this land?

And did the flags, of all the freed,

Forge bonds stronger than eye could see?

And did the faith, of the unbound,

Shine forth an honour bless'd in blood?

And did the Charter of this Land,

Grant Albion ample liberty?

I will not bow to foreign crown,

I will not fight my kindred lands.

I will not 'cede, o' great homeland,

I will not test my loyalty.

I shall not cease from mental fight,

Nor shall I sleep, my sword in hand.

Till we have routed the oppressed,

To Albion's free and sacred land.

Remember it's just a draft. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 00:18, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

I like it --Falloutfan08 (talk) 07:04, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Kongeriget
Id like to take that last mainland state if that OK with you Kongeriget Kallisuit (talk) 00:05, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

You mean Ackerland or Älskadeland? Sunkist kind of controls them both, but now his account's disabled and I haven't heard from his alt. Talk to UP, he might be able to help, being the unofficial leader of Atlion. You could create a new island, I guess, like Viva did, but you'd have to talk to UP for that too. 77topaz (talk) 04:53, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sure thing Kongeriget Kallisuit (talk) 22:03, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Are we serious?
We have been sitting around scratching our heads for long enough, and one of us needs to take action on this horrendous page. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 13:39, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more. May I propose that we reorganize the page into a reputable nation page? ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 14:12, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

We can't write ANYTHING until we finalize our country's CONSTITUTION, GEOGRAPHY and HISTORY. The page would consist of random extracts from the states if we don't get on the same page. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 15:21, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Remove Ixania
Since nothing has been formalised yet, I would like resign from the game. I have other ideas for Ixania, and I don't want to cause any issues in the future. You can take this as my formal resignation from the game. All I ask is that Ixania be expunged from Atlion's history and removed from the map. ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 21:11, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Could i use Ixania, if it okay to you Kongeriget ƂvƋ Kallisuit (talk) 23:26, September 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry dude, but I don't want to give up a second island. :( ((ლ( (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ( 00:18, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * The first being Albion itself, you mean? Or something completely different? 77topaz (talk) 21:34, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

I doubt Viva would want to give the island as is up, but you can ask United Planets if you can make your own island, although, I advise against it. Rather use one of the open states. :) -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 23:32, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

New Holland
Hey guys,

I see that there are vacancies. Can I take Ackerland, but with new name? If possible, I would like to propose the State of New Holland. As the name suggests, it is a region of Dutch colonization. Its name is a homage to the County of Holland, then part of the Dutch Republic.

Today most of the population of New Holland has English as a first language, but a small portion still uses the Dutch language.

What do you think? -- Cunha 12:48, September 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is the flag and the seal of New Holland:

-- Cunha 12:55, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

It's not my choice to judge on these things, but I really like that idea. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (  Duestchland - Texas - Oil City - Skandinavia   ) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 14:36, September 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * If accepted, I will change the official name for Province of New Holland. It is divided in 34 municipalities. Its the population is of 8 million approximately, the capital and major city is Hogedal (translation: high valley), the Executive branch is exercised by the Commissioner and the legislature is the States-General of New Holland, with 50 seats held by the major parties, in this order:
 * - Progressive Party of New Holland (centre-left) - 27 seats
 * - Christian-Democratic Party of New Holland (centre-right) - 20 seats
 * - Green Movement of New Holland (centre-left) - 3 seats
 * Other parties are:
 * - Labor Party of New Holland (left)
 * - People's Party of New Holland (right)


 * Let me know what you think. -- Cunha 17:10, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, remember, it won't be a province. Atlion is a federation and thus the prominent second-level division is a state, the other a federal territory. But in terms of name, I guess it can be called Province of New Holland. You do have quite a lot of local parties, and that will be in addition to our federal parties. But it does look good. I doubt you need Ham's approval, so you can get started. BUT PLEASE note that we are still working on the constitution and history, thus basically nothing we do until these are finalized is in stone, so you need to be willing to change some things, major and minor in the future. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 11:58, September 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Certainly, the term 'province' is just in the official name. New Holland is a state like any other. In fact, there are only two parties that matter, and they can be linked to federal parties. As for possible changes, I do not see any problem.
 * Thanks, I will begin soon. -- Cunha 13:53, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Taking over Alskadeland?
Hey everyone,

Longtime lurker here, but I've decided to go ahead and take the jump and (hopefully) contribute to Atlion. I've always been a big fan of collaboration, and this project interests me. I'd like to take over Alskadeland, if possible. I would rename it Valenmark, officially the State of Valenmark.

Draft flag and State Seal

Please let me know what, if anything, I need to do in terms of an "official" application or if you need any additional preliminary information regarding taking over Alskadeland.

Take care! Scott (talk) 13:41, September 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome aboard, Scott! -- Cunha 13:53, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Anderson! Looking forward to working with you. We're neighbors :-) Scott (talk) 14:47, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, there are no entry requirements for Atlion as far as I know, so you can enter Valenmark if you are willing to change whatever you do to both minor and major degrees throughout our process of establishing Atlion's official history, politics and so forth. If you are willing to compromise without much resistance, then you'll fit in just great! -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 14:23, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Super. I'm definitely willing and able to compromise. My main goal is to make Valenmark a realistic, viable part of the country. I'm going to be keeping the Scandinavian influence that was established with Alskadeland (influenced my selection of the new name). Is there an forum or something where everyone is discussing Altion's development? Thanks again! Take care. Scott (talk) 14:47, September 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope, I wish there were, though. Forums make everything 100000000x times easier, but I've never managed to recruit anyone around here into liking forums. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) [[Image:Flag of the Allied States of America.png|25px|link=Allied States of America]] 18:47, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess we can use this as a forum. I have to agree that forums are very useful. 77topaz (talk) 21:32, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

State populations?
I took a look at this draft: http://gyazo.com/076eac5622916c8b51400d114210b58b

I haven't seen any further discussion on this. Are these population rankings considered near-canon? Thanks! Scott (talk)

Well, from the reactions it seemed like that draft I made is official. The only terms I am aware of is that of my own; Broker's population needs to be at least 10 million higher than any other state. Other than that, just take a look at who's in front of you in the "rankings" and make your population lower than theirs, or alternatively you can ask them to increase their population and thus you can increase yours. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:47, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

I hope you understand that they are rankings, not figures? 1 is the highest etc. 77topaz (talk) 21:27, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey 77topaz. Yeah, I knew that, just didn't write my question correctly ;) Scott (talk) 22:34, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sports leagues
One of my most favorite things about conworlding modern settings is creating fictional sports leagues and teams. Just a fair warning :)

Anyway, I'd like for us to at least give a little thought to what sports are popular in Atlion. I'm assuming we'll have a European/USA/Canada style of living, so sports leagues are certainly something that will exist. With 120+ million people, Atlion could have some pretty impressive leagues in terms of world prestige, money, salaries, talent, etc.

For me, the first question is do we want to go with a European or American slant on sports? If European, then Association Football, Rugby Union, Handball, Basketball etc. will be popular. If we go in the USA/Canada way, sports like American Football, baseball, basketball, ice hockey will be popular.

Any thoughts, comments, ideas? Scott (talk) 16:35, September 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Same here :D (e.g. see here - just about all of it was made by me) 77topaz (talk) 21:30, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

American slant, Europe is terrible. Although association football should be more prominent. Woogers - talk 18:05, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

I am gonna have to disagree with Woogers. Thus far, Atlion is mostly based off of America. Now, I know this is easier considering I am the only person who has never set foot on American soil, but we need to start using other elements of the world for Atlion too. I say that Euro sport needs to be the dominant sports, however American sport can also be very popular. See it as a 60/40 divide. Now, on a more personal level, I know next to nothing about sport, so I'll see where you guys take it and just follow your lead. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:47, September 24, 2012 (UTC)