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The internet's not working on my desktop at home, so I'm a bit late in submitting my constitutional changes, but I'm mostly free tomorrow, so I'll do them then. Sorry for the delays, just letting you know I'm not dead. Woogers - talk () 00:11, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
I will. I'm trying to handle my war with Israel, and deal with them right now. But any respectable superpower needs their international military bases right? Everett had them, the ISA has them, heck, even the EAF has one in Mombasa, Huria. But anyway, I'll discuss all future invasions with you. But I really don't have many military plans for Huria since I'm finally getting to work on their political structure. ((ლ(() (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ(() 17:24, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
- Oh. I see where the confusion is. The bases in the Middle East were part of the United Kingdom. And I gave up the United Kingdom after aquiring Alaska and Minnesota. Enclavehunter (talk) 17:47, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
"Then create the page and put it in the Candidate Future World category. It is not meant for the reservation page." I see you were speaking of Israel. My bad. Side note; a simple yes or no question, do you think I should go ahead with making Tawhid a FW nation? ((ლ(() (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ(() 21:08, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
Radical anything is a bad thing. Try to make something mild and focus more on internal affairs, diplomacy and friendship rather than foreign policy, war and hatred. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 21:54, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
I can promise that for any other nation I make (like I have often shown repeatedly for Christ's sake). However, for Huria that will not happen. Before the mention of Tawhid, I was considering making a moderate version of the Ottoman Empire, which was half the size of Tawhid, and lead by Turkey, which is more Westernized than the rest of the Middle East (almost as much as Israel). However, I'm more concerned with developing Huria, so I'll be dropping Israel in the future after I've scrapped every bit of tech and knowledge from that country. I want my cake. ((ლ(() (ಠ益ಠ) ((ლ(() 22:00, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
The triangle one was made entirely with paint (hence the uberbad anti-aliasing). The other one with the star was made partly with the badge feature at says-it.com and paint. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 17:16, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
Of course, I'll help where I can, but I don't know what I can contribute when it comes to infrastructure. (Small note: We need the constitution in text on the article, I have pending work with the DoJ) -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 17:21, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
Oddly enough, I too cannot remember where they were, but I'll just Gyazo them for you.
Yeah, that looks great. Have you compiled a national map of highways yet? It seems I am the only one who cares about where my highways are placed in my state. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:06, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
Hey, quick question, do you think Fjalland is doing well with just 378,000 people, or do you think it would be better with two million? I mused over the idea for a while, but would like some external input on the matter. If you didn't mind of course. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:28, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
What? Sunkist told me that my Soviet nation wasn't allowed, and he said the same for the Federal Unites I made. So I thought that I had to come up with another one and just stick with Tawhid. Heck, I didn't know you were stick counting. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 15:38, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
Uhh, I think Sunkist only said that the USSR was a bit too big. I am confused. I am the only admin around here and I haven't made any rulings like that. I was actually looking forward to seeing what you're gonna do with the FUA. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 15:47, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Super, would it be possible for a corporation to enter into FW as a nation or a entity with which a nation could do business? Cause I was thinking about entering the game as Pravus. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 20:39, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I mean what are you planning? You'll get bored and eventually try to annex territory for your company. I need more of your intentions to see if this plan can work in FW. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 21:22, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
Well I wanted to go with the company for the reason that I know I would try to annex some territory for my company. However, I remedied that by coming up with the idea that Pravus doesn't need or even want territory since they build nice, walled, high-tech pre-fab cities for the employees (like company towns), and use them to administer their corporate affairs in the region that their operating. They goal is not to conquer territory, but to make money. To them (and to me), it is far better to rule from the shadows than to actually handle the affairs of nation ruling in person. They don't need land to get what they want. The only territory they have are the cities they build. Their revenue comes from their corporate operations around the world. And their military forces are prrivate military contractors from a subsidary company that protect their assets. Long story short, I don't even need to use the nation template for them. However, they do have the ability to fight on behalf of world governments, or provide loans like one. Sorry if this is confusing, but I'm pretty much working on the fly. The idea sounds really good in my head though. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:37, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
The problem here is, as company, you can realistically influence laws, but it's highly implausible for an entire country to change their laws to accommodate your company. You can give it a try, and I'll probably allow you in New England, but know that I see controversy ahead. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 21:45, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
Don't worry. I've been planning for the issues that may arise. Of course I've said that before, so I guess we'll just wait and see then. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 21:53, January 25, 2013 (UTC)Hey I thought you might want a crisper logo for the Broker University. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:07, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
Always the difficult questions relating to scale! xD
I have no idea. I don't even know how big Broker is in general, hence I haven't put down any numbers (anywhere). So, I think we should decide upon the size of Albion first (as well as its position on the globe), and then I guess we can roughly estimate the distance. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 17:47, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
Alright. But I am not sure of the scales. 17:26, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
I did a quick estimation using the map. Looks like 1288 miles north to south at its widest point, and something like 834 miles east to west at its widest point. Woogers - talk () 00:34, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
Woah, then we need to make Albion a bit bigger. Statesport is supposed to be the largest city in Atlion, and having it at 75 miles would mean that the Lum metro and Statesport metro areas would be like way too close to each other. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 15:27, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
That's like DC and Baltimore. It's doable. Like look at Newark and New York City, they're essentially right next to each other. The metropolitan areas can still be distinct. Or, it could be a CSA composed of the two metropolitan areas. Woogers - talk () 17:38, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
Uh, maybe, but this changes a lot. It just made Broker a lot smaller than I thought it to be. Port James would then encompass the entire Title Island and many of my cities would be neighborhoods of each other. Quite a dilemma. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:22, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
Hm. Well, give it some thought. The positioning of the NCR won't change much regardless of what happens, because there's not that much empty space to move around things with. Woogers - talk () 19:05, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Super. I was wondering if you can make a few seals for Deseret's Department of Education, Homeland Security, Defense, and Transportation. I tried using says it.com, but my computer won't allow me to use it, and I don't want to ask Falloutfan, espically since he helped me with the flag and the main seal of Deseret. Enclavehunter (talk) 18:23, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I only use Says-it.com, but the seal design section has been down for months now. I am afraid I won't be able to make a satisfactory seal for you, but I should recommend using Microsoft Word's (2010 or 2007) word art. I found out that word art can bend at basically any angle, so you can make a relatively satisfactory seal by using MS Word and MS Paint. It's relatively difficult to bend the text, but it's doable. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:39, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
Sure, I'll read over it today and tomorrow, and you should have an answer by tomorrow night (South African time :P). Also, for the sake of standardization and that you own territory, Pravus will be considered a country, at least from an OOC perspective. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 19:48, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
You should consider removing all the references to the Federal Republic of Chicago on your Pravus pages, as I cannot review Pravus independently from Chicago at this point. If I do, I am going to have to ask you to remove all the pages with references from your Pravus category. Perhaps we should wait until you have Chicago ready for review as well. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 20:06, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
Could Northern Levant possibly become a member of Future World, of course I still need to work on it. I'm curious - I've always had an interest in geopolitics. EighthWonder (talk) 17:45, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
Well, you should look at all the pages relating to Future World admin, especially the Rules of Future World page. Then, obviously, you're gonna have to put a lot of work in, make a map of the country, and so forth. Once you have the very basics sorted, put it in the Category:Candidate Future World category then continue editing until you're ready to be reviewed. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:05, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
I don't want to break rules or anything, but would a history that begins in 1941 be okay? I noticed on the rule page it said "Post World War II" was the cutoff, but it does not offer a specific date. Northern Levanti history begins with the overthrow of Vichy rule in the Syrian Mandate, but that's during World War II. The outcome of the World War is not changed, as the Republic of Northern Levant has the same strategic impact that the successful Syria-Lebanon campaign had. EighthWonder (talk) 18:10, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
Tell you what, once time for review comes around, I'll see what the effect of your history is on the world, and decide then. There need to be certain standards which apply to everyone, and I don't want it to become a habit for people to ask me for their nations to begin before 1945. If you're history is clear enough and the impact on the world is minute enough, perhaps I'll allow it. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 19:45, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
There are no battles between the NER and Deseret. The Philadelphia government (i.e. the United States federal government) had a final battle with Deseret.
I am not sure where though. Preferably somewhere in Deseret territory (as the Philadelphia government wanted to destroy any opposition to the "federal government"). You can win the battle or it can be a stalemate. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 22:54, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
Just a question...
Tijuana entrance into the Southwest Republic
Hey Super. I was wondering if I could add Tijuana, Mexico, to the Southwest Republic. Not the entire province it is located in, but just the surrounding area. The only real reason I woud like Tijuana is that San Diego (located within the Southwest Republic) and Tijuana are closely intertwined economically and culturally, and both forming an international metropolitan area. Enclavehunter (talk) 23:56, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
It seems a reasonable enough request, however, I'm gonna need you to make a page outlining the history and background to the transfer or ownership, since this will be the first instance an American nation acquires a city from another during active play. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 16:07, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Hey., Super, if you dont have any objections I am going to overhauling Wessex and Cornwall's history because I am non longer entering the GBC into Future World, as I want to focus on W&C. Falloutfan08 (talk) 16:45, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
My history, i.e not containing GBC etc but objections to the Troubles in Northern Ireland and Anglo-Saxon Cultural Heritage Movements, possibly include Mercia (Oxforshire, Worcestershire, West Berkshire, Southern Warwickshire and Herefordshire). Falloutfan08 (talk) 17:52, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
I will definitely not, It was bad enough the other time. Mercia and Sussex are going to Provinces, so they will not be as important as Wessex and Cornwall, hence not in the name. Falloutfan08 (talk) 18:05, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
I really don't have time, but I guess I can get involved in stuff requiring little commitment. I'll also have to see what this project is all about etc. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 10:27, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
I needed to edit the pizza-type chart, but Viva helped me with another template. Thank you. -- Cunha 20:36, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
SWM, I beleive you are familiar with my company, Domco International, and I was wondering what your take on it is. This is my first conworld I've participated in so I could really use a bit of guidance and critisism from a veteran such as yourself. I would also appreciate you looking at my nation-in-progress, the United Oceanic Isles and improve on the national seal. thank you. Project99 (talk) 23:57, May 15, 2013 (UTC)Project99
An Outsider's View
As I work on GM'Verse I do pay attention to how FW evolves and it confirms to me why I don't return to the project. I would like to give my recommendations of how to make the process not as chaotic, because it seems like that NA War has gotten out of hand.
-USColombia invading a minor country of the same owner seems understandable ( I personally preferred Appalachia over a Bioshock rehash with a name used by a IRL country, but not my country so...), but the invasion of SWRepublic made me cringe a little inside. Have you considered having "proposal scenarios" that get written first and then get inserted afterward into FW "canon" once approved by everyone? Because the chatter seems to indicate a lot of surprised players. I know there seemed to be a lot of chatrooms open, so IDK everything that was said, but clearly there wasn't enough transparency among players.
-Before you get an FW applicant proposing a Chinese warlord state trying over Eurasia with ancient alien technology, I would recommend some standardized PODs like the Second American Civil War from which nations must be created. For example, the Soviet dissolution is more violent or China falls into civil war after the Tiannaman Square protests. I really like the Second Civil War storyline btw.
- (I personally preferred Appalachia over a Bioshock rehash with a name used by a IRL country, but not my country so...) I don't think I asked for criticism of my nation, but thanks anyway. ---Sunkist- (talk) 00:06, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
- Kindly speaking Sunkist, he wasn't directing the criticism toward you, as he was speaking to Super on the matter. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:09, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
- How many times have I seen you on some one elses page getting into a flame war over something Ham Ham never said to you; plenty. -Sunkist- (talk) 00:15, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
- A little late now, but I don't recall you being in every conversation we had, and UP's was pretty clear that his accusations were directed at me. That and I never started any flames wars that were preventable. Most if not all was due entirely to UP's arrogance and an his yesmen (you included), blindly accepted everything he said for a fact when he was clearly wrong (need I remaind you of his laughable failure to ban me, the one where two admins sided against him?). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:14, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
- How many times have I seen you on some one elses page getting into a flame war over something Ham Ham never said to you; plenty. -Sunkist- (talk) 00:15, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
- Kindly speaking Sunkist, he wasn't directing the criticism toward you, as he was speaking to Super on the matter. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:09, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for the input! The first suggestion I like a lot, and I think that it or some version of it will definitely be implemented. The second one, however, seems unpractical as I cannot come up with huge canon scenarios for every region of the world. It was relatively easy for the 2nd Civil War since it's a popular alternative history event, but if you were to put me in Indonesia, I wouldn't be able to think up something plausible. In that regard, I guess I just need to make sure anyone who proposes such a nation not be accepted. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:01, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Super, could I update that map you made for the Columbian Crisis? Chicago actually controls all the counties that make up its metropolitian area, not just Cook County. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:51, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
Future World Crisis
Super, I believe we need to discuss the current state of affairs with Future World and the possible need to actively recruit new members. Since the end of last year, there has been close to little real activity in FW, and the Columbia war doesn't even count. With UP doing whatever it is he's doing, and with MC and Sunkist off as school, I believe we may need to draw in new blood or FW may remain in its limping state forever. Either that or slacken the rules enough to make the game more enjoyable for newcomers. If not, then I may see a repeat of Nearly Real World in the really near future. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:09, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
I hate being a kiss ass. People need to join Future World if they like the setup or find greener pastures. If we slacken the rules, sure, people will come, but you can sure bet that it will be chaos again ending with me making the NER independent.
Future World is easily accessible. The problem lies with the fact that Conworlds in general has only a few active users. If we want more people here, we need to start by making the Wikia as a whole more attractive. Other than that, I don't really want Future World to have a PR department. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 12:14, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
My suggestion doesn't call for kissing anyone's behind. I don't believe FW has fallen that far (even if it did, not my cup of coffee). If you want, we can ask Wikia to advertise ConWorlds. They have a thing for that. But at the same time, we don't need a PR department until issues get out of hand, or if Wikia delievers too many potential members. All said, we have very few choices avalible to us. Also, you and I may need to request Wikia for admin status. With UP (to lala land), Woogers (to real life), Timemaster (to Lovia), and BIPU (possibly dead) gone, and every reputable user disappearing like the wiki's edit count, you and I are the only one's with any potential to lead. Once we have some authority, we'll be able to do some more worthwhile actions that could help bring some life back into this wiki. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 13:50, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
Also, if you want to do this, I suggest we ask Wikia to revoke Timemaster and BIPU's admin statuses. UP and Woogers can remain as they are still moderately active around here. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 14:04, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
Understood, but I would suggest speaking to Timemaster first to see if he could grant us admin status, and just demote Woogers. Woogers told me that he wouldn't be doing much editing on the wiki as work and school have gotten in the way, though keeping him around might be good too. BIPU we can immediately demote as he's been gone for the last year. As for the vote, I believe you can open a forum or blog for that, since you hold the most senior position aside from UP (chat mod). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:38, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Super, could I have one of Kania play a small role in Washingtonia's civil war, possibly as an arms supplier? And on a small note, I forgot to let you know, I have Victoria 2 Heart of Darkness and Crusader Kings 2. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:37, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
I am not sure if I want Washingtonia to be in with another nation yet, especially not with one so close that could severely alter what I had in mind for the country. I'll think over it. Oh, and cool stuff on HoD and CK; log into your Steam sometime so we can get a game going. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 12:37, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
That would be true if this was the first time he's done this. But it isn't. That comment, and many others were directed toward me, and like those in the past, was hostile. I could bring up all of the hostile remarks he's made, but that wouldn't solve anything. However, this was just a warning. I have no interests in banning him, though I wouldn't shed a tear for him if I did. Plus, I do not wish to become the very person whom I've come to dislike over the time I've been here. I only need him to understand that that kind of additude won't be tolerated. And before we get into the Viva vs. UP issue, those were valid and often the result of UP attacking everyone (need I remind you about the Anon "debate" last year?). Plus, they were often personal, such as his attacking my race, religion, beliefs, and opinions. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:32, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
Still, I think it's important that punishments not merely be up to individual admin discretion. Given that we are such a small group of admins, perhaps we should vote on bans and provide adequate reason as well as an opportunity for the accused to defend themselves. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 21:39, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
That would work, but Shaelic's defense will probably go something like this: "But Viva did it too. And he doesn't deserve to be an admin. And UP should ban him for being a cancer." And so on, and so on and so on. And besides, this wasn't just a random outbust, he is almost always like this when I say something. Heck, at least I'll listen to UP and show him some measure of respect when I can. I mean, look at all of my posts to him in the past. You can't say I haven't tried to be reasonable. In fact, I turn hostile after he post something so incredibly offensive. This guy however is just hostile. I don't know if he's UP's brother or something, but I believe he just doesn't like me. But we don't need a crystal ball in order to see that. I agree with you on the matter of voting on bans, but if this guy continues to post hostile comments, I'll act on it. Of course when I think about it, it does sound abit aggressive... Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:46, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
Promoting the Wiki
Hey Super, I wanted to get your advice on promoting Conworlds. We can use our promote button in the admin tab to promote the wiki on Wikia, but before I use it, I need to get your say on the issue. Good idea or bad? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:39, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
I have no idea how the promote function works, but I am guessing they'll want us to pay for it. If you can figure it out, it's probably a good idea. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:05, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
I took a look at the function, and all we need is a header, description, a main picture, and some others for flavor. If you want, you can pass this on to the other admins here, because I have no idea what I should write for the description. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:34, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
I think it's basic enough for us to take care of. Just take a small part of description of worldbuilding on the main page and say that Conworlds is a medium for that. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:49, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
Alright, new map, with an Old World, New World, and possible backwards Asiatic type world. I saved the map seed and everything. Oh, and it turns out it wasn't my fault with the map seed. I closed the generator after reseting the settings, and turns out the generator simply doesn't care what map seed you saved, it'll just map a new map. I know right? Anyway, the first one is smaller since I forgot to set the size, but the greyed version in 1600x800. The second one is larger. I have a greyed version of that one too. Tell me what you think. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 12:12, July 16, 2013 (UTC)
Here's what. I'll drop my request to have the evidence for the government, and stick with having the idea of the humans' true origins remain a myth. They'll be the crazies and zealots, but the average person will just think it was a myth. If I do that will you return? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:57, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
As I said; it wasn't about this. This was a minor superficial issue. I am leaving because I know, for a fact, that you and I cannot take part in a collab. There will be uncountable other things we will disagree upon and "not budge" on, which will lead to me losing hair quicker. As I said on an Atlion talk page once: "It's either Viva or me who leaves". In this case, I left, since you and MissK basically dreamed up this collab so I am not going to spoil your fun. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 11:05, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Super, I'm going to be straight with you. Had this come from anybody else, you wouldn't be talking about incompatibility anything. If UP told you the same thing I did, you would have agreed. If MC or Enclave told you this, you would have agreed. But they didn't. I did. Since you and me have a history of arguing over small points, it became a "you vs me" issue. Right after you left chat, I spoke to Enclave and UP, and I told them the whole thing. I told them about the issue, and the statement you made thereafter, and both agreed that it was unreasonable. Enclave couldn't understand what was wrong with the one minor detail. UP said the matter on the history was important to him since it was a major part of the Shi'Ji's history. UP even stated that thousands of years passed could not hide a ship that moved countless thousands of people to a planet, and would even be preserved in the desert. It didn't break up, it didn't erode, it remained entacted in the desert. So it wasn't me refusing to budge on the issue, it was three other people (MC included) as well. I swear, if Fallout was told the issue, he'd agree. So you and I aren't incompatible, we disagree, but we're not incompatible. I was simply stating a fact that we all agreed upon.
Now, when you say you don't want to spoil my fun, your stating that its my game. You said I "hijacked" the game when I didn't. I was the admin, the admin you agreed to have in chat. You said you didn't want to be the leader, so I became the leader. Everyone else wanted some bit of evidence left, thus when you refused to have any, and wanted everything gone, you weren't spoiling my fun, you were spoiling everyone's fun. No one wanted you to leave, and we were all willing to make concession in your favor, because none of us wanted you to leave as you were a vital part of the game's development. So you can't make this about you and me, because it isn't. Its you, me and everybody else. Whenever I had an idea I wanted to implemented, I always asked everyone else, because I knew I wasn't my game, and I know you well enough to know you want some realism, henceforth my asking before my implementing. Everyone else wants you in the game. If you don't want to return, fine. But you can't put this on me, because this wasn't between us, everyone else agreed on it, and saw no problem with it. They all had plans. So please don't say that there will be problems in the future, because there won't be. Neither of us can see into the future, and neither of us want that future, okay?
We were all having fun, let's get back to that. And sorry if I sound accusatory, and please don't mind the text wall, I couldn't find I shorter way to explain myself. :( Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 13:33, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
I was not present in this little group discussion to defend what I had in mind so I won't bother myself with that. Last I left MC still agreed with me that nobody should remember about it. But you're still acting as if this is the issue. We are incompatible. If you and "everyone else" want to be so unrealistically optimistic about "just trying one more time", then go ahead. We were incompatible in Future World, we were incompatible in New Era, we were definitely incompatible in Atlion and I promise you, if this had gone on, we would be evermore incompatible in this collab.
About us all having fun. I can respect that, but I purposefully did not put any effort into anything to see how these initial steps developed. When I first read about you wanting to be an alien, I thought you were joking, and when I realized you were not, I wanted to leave there and then. I stayed for a little while longer, choosing to see how things develop. They developed contrary to what I had thought we wanted to do in this collab. Is this me being hardheaded? Perhaps. I was one of the "founding members" of this collab and thought I understood where we were going. So, to spare everyone my hardheaded, non-budging-on-certain-issues attitude and personality, I'd rather not spoil yours or "everyone else's" fun.
And keep putting it into quotes, so I take it you do not believe me. Well that isn't my problem. I've tried, and you have refused to reason. I haven't been trying to act as if that matter was an issue, but it was important as that was the point you chose to leave. Your statement about being unrealistic is untrue as even here on earth there are all sorts of ruins that have existed for centuries that no one can explain. However, I would like you to note that after the arguements, you and I got along swell. We worked together in all of the projects after the issues, and we tried to save them all. As I said, if you don't want to return, I fine with that. It's a shame you left. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 13:55, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Okay this is the last time I'll try to bring you back in. I will not have the Ixanians as aliens (I've worked out an alternative to their history), and will drop all mentions of humanity's origins. Regarding our "incompatibility", a few notes. When I arrived to the wiki, and joined Future World, I had no inkling of the rules. I thought anything could go after reading up on all of the nations, and thought that I could make what I wanted. You left early into the game, but told me on many occassions that Huria wasn't the reason for you leaving, which I thought was the case until yesterday. When you and UP got into a fight over the clones, I was on your side and tried to help. As for New Era, I didn't fight you for any reason. In fact, when you set guidelines and I followed them to the letter to prevent a recap of Future World. Outside of that, we didn't have any trouble. Only when Sunkist and I got into a fight over Norfolk did anything bad happen, and I wasn't the one who started that. Finally, when things got heated with Atlion, I backed down and left, and returned with a state everyone was okay with. And remember, I wasn't fighting you, I was defending myself from UP, Sunkist, and MC. So that wasn't even personal. Now, will you return? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:48, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
I'll return on a probationary basis. That means the effort I put in will remain minimal until the initial developmental steps are concluded. Hope this is satisfactory. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:09, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
It is. Thank you. One minor point. Given the inclusion of the Ixanians as the native species, I'm asking the rest of the players what their fate should be before I change them, as removing them as a native species effects the nations and histories of the other players. I really hope you don't mind. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:32, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Elysian ProjectHey, we need to talk about the project. When you abandoned it Vivaporious gave me the yellow lands, but now you're back. How do we go about splitting it up? HORTON11: • 15:23, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
I just made an idea on how to do this. If you let me have the sort-of Iran and Denmark (wihin the black lines) you can have the southern "mozambique bit", the Indonesian islands in the middle and the south Korea thing in the west. HORTON11: • 15:29, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
Uh, that's kinda a big part of my nation. I am willing to give you the big island part of my nation in the middle of the map and that part on the blue continent. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 15:34, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
That would be for the best Horton. Super did claim the region first, and as he returned to the game, the land in all fairness must be returned to him. I would prefer if you took Super's offer to prevent any future problems. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:47, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
That wouldn't really work. At least give me the tiny portion above the black zone, or like Viva suggested add another continent. HORTON11: • 19:39, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be possible to make a land extension instead, between the purple and yellow lands? If not, a group of small islands like Super's Denmark would be fine. HORTON11: • 20:11, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
Well I do want a more workable land design, and since the language I plan on adopting is romance I would think it best with there being some link between my nation and yours, at least historicall deriving from your roman-style origins. HORTON11: • 20:29, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
I have islands which have historically Romance cultures on them. And if there was a landbridge between those two places, then my history would have to be reworked to insure that the Ixanians wouldn't return into my homeland another way. I don't want to sound rude, but I was here first, and I don't want to have to make special accommodations for a person who is joining. (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 20:34, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
Of course it is possible to maintain a connection, just say that settlers from the Lanean Empire settled in Antaria during the Lanean Empire's existence (3000 BNC to 340 ANC). (ᵒᴥᵒ) MineCraftian (Talk) (ᵒᴥᵒ) 20:51, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
Sure. Our original settlers would have been of Iberian origin, so Lanean migration and intermingling would make sense. HORTON11: • 20:56, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
Hi, my FW conworld is almost ready but my reservation has not been decided on. Did you see it? - X
Hey, your territorial reservation is already occupied by the East Asian Federation. If Woogers agrees, which I am sure he will, you can adopt the territory for your nation, but you will need to incorporate the already-existing history of the region into your own history; so ask Woogers and then read up on East Asian history. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 15:32, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Super, I need a little help. I'm working on a race called the Xethori, which for humans translates into Iconians. I'm not sure which of the two names I should use for articles and the like. There both interchangable, and I like both, but I'm unsure of which to use for general descriptions and naming weapons, ships, and so on. Your thoughts? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:08, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
It's difficult for Elysia, since IRL Wikipedia is English, thus, it would most probably be called Iconians. In Elysia, our "Wiki" we're working on can be any language. So I'll say it's up to you. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 17:36, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I was thinking of doing a big project where a plague wipes out a lot of the government leaders and the world governments are changed. I was wondering if you would be a GM for this project. BTW, this post is by me. Just forgot to log in. Storm 18:02, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah. A GM is basically a person who runs the game and keeps people from getting in trouble. I'm going to post the page for the project soon. Storm 18:30, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
Uh, well, since you came up with it, I'd think it's better if you're the boss man. I've had some bad experiences with running collabs. But I'll always be willing to support and help you with it. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:41, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
Just posted the page for it. Storm 19:11, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, Super, I'm getting ready to work on project about an alien species, and plan on it to be quite extensive (tech info, society, culture, military, etc). However, before I begin, I wanted to ask you just how expansive their civilization should be. Do you think they should be constrained to a single solar system, or span multiple star systems?
Oh, I forgot to tell you, my family just moved, and we have no internet at our new place. So I won't be around as often to contribute until the internet is hooked up. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 04:40, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
It depends on which context. When did they start their star colonization process? What type of space travel technology do they have at their disposal?
If they have conventional engines and fly at only the speed that the ships would allow them - one solar system; since it would take hundreds of thousands of years to go to others. If they have faster than light systems then they can be across several systems. It comes down to how advanced exactly this civilization is. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 16:17, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
Responding question to question, they have been a space-faring species for two thousand years. They travel by entering an "empty" dimension, which can be likened to skimming beneath realspace, and re-entering it elsewhere, avoiding all of the stellar phenomenon and dangers in the process (hence it being empty). As for technology, they have made death irrelevent. Nuff said. Also, their the racist, isolationist type, but appear friendly and welcoming (they still have slavery). However, I'm not sure if they should be the iron-fisted isolationists (pre-Meiji Japan), who refuse to leave their homeworlds, or the preventive measures type (Imperial China), who expand aggressively to enforce their isolation. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:31, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
Because some fool over on the Althistory wiki showed it to me and nearly scarred my eyes. I was angry and had to share it with someone else. As for MK. My computer showed no signs of a virus at all. Plenty of the other people on chat had seen it and reported nothing. Are you sure? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 15:55, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I went to the link and initially it showed that scary face flashing thing but then forwarded to me something about a virus. I Googled the website and it appears that alot of people are reporting it as a browser hijacking virus, which is able to take control of your browser and flood you with pop-ups and redirect links to phishing websites. I did a whois search and it's based in Mexico. I didn't want to take the risk based on what I got on results for Googling the website. I did a scan on my computer and didn't find anything but I also wiped my registries and internet cache too. MizzKeyes (Me/Say Hai/World/WAT) 22:13, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
Okay. I just finished downloading and installing it, and wanted to know if you wanted to play it sometime in the future whenever you had the time for it. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:56, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
Sure, but the only way we can effectively do that is if we find a medium of communication besides this wiki, like Steam, on which we are both active. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 20:01, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
Is anyone still interested in the Elysian thing? I would still like this to work. HORTON11: • 03:13, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
Conworlds don't "end" unless explicitly stated so by the creator. Viva hasn't ended TEP so as far as I understand it it still exists but with absolutely no activity and without Ixania. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 17:46, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, my collaboration died before it started.Do you want to help revive it? - X
Sorry, but no. There's been a lot of reviving and dying going on around here, so I'd rather just keep to myself for now. Good luck though. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 17:45, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, should you find the time when your not playing Crusader Kings 2 (I know for the 1,001 Steam pop-ups I get), could you read through this page, and give me your honest opinion on it? Thanks. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:30, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
xD Yep, I play that game a lot. I've actually been following your Xai page, reading especially the culture section. I'll give it a proper review as soon as I can find the time! -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 21:40, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Warmonkey, remember me?!
How are things around here? I have seen a couple of blog posts of yours and I do have to agree on some matters with you, lol. So Viva told me that you play War Thunder too and I got happy! What is your username? :) Imp (Say Hi?!) 22:37, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
Do you are the creator of Conworlds Wiki? Soorry! I'm so sorry with my changes! - C
Thanks for leaving me a message. I'm glad you've found my election articles interesting. To answer your question, yes, I studied comparative politics at university with emphasis in elections. I stumbled around thinking of some ideas so I could create a project here for a while, but only recently came upon a decent system I want to simulate. Now comes the fun part!
Hey Super, given your native understanding of South Africa, which is the better city? Cape Town or Johannesburg? Which is safer? Which has more stuff to see and enjoy? Was using Google Maps to see the cities and I'm impressed by both, but the little residential neighborhoods Rondebosch, the Southern Suburbs, and Claremont, which look like the places I'd like to be. But then Johannesburg reminded me of Chicago a bit, and felt more like home. In the interest of future planning, I'd like to know more about them if you knew anything of interest. That is if you had the time of course. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 17:30, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
Well, it's a matter of opinion. Both cities have their ups and downs. Cape Town, for me, is much better than any other city in the country. It feels safer; it's more beautiful; it actually has a government. I can't get into detail about any neighborhoods, though. Cape Town also has its fair share of ghettos which tend to be more unsafe. Of course, CT is also more expensive to live in. Both cities are economic hubs, though, so your chances of finding a job in either city are pretty much the same. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 19:05, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
It will happen eventually, but my current priority list has it placed near the bottom. Of my sci-fi projects, I am more into the "down to earth" Artemis one. I think I went in too quickly and irresponsibly with Universe, but I haven't given up on it. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 22:52, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
Well that's always nice to know. I've been trying to develop a down to earth project of my own built around an ancient idea I had (literally nine when I came up with it), but I don't know whether or not to go with the militaristic or the imperialistic nation I developed. Where are you going with Artemis anyway? Any special plans and the like, or is it just a cultural development thing? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:56, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
I created it during my Battlestar Galactica craze (since it's just that kind of an awesome series), so I don't really have a special plan for it. I just want to develop bits and bobs - it isn't my intention to make it a "whole world" kinda thing, like with Washingtonia, so there's gonna be an end to it. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 22:59, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
Ah. Nice then. Shame to know that though. Oh well, at least you put some effort into it. Half the guys I know would just make a front page and just get bored of it afterward. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:04, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I never consider myself to "leave" anything. That's the beauty of a standalone project in a text based platform. I can return to it whenever I get that bit of inspiration I need. Too bad I usually get it at the worst times of night. I am going to need truckload of inspiration to even consider touching the Allied States again. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 23:09, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
Resurrection of the Allied States? Well, try something that relates to your project. I just got back into working on Huria again after watching Pacific War a first days back (war-related stuff). So consider watching Jericho again, or read some of Harry Turtledove's work about an alternate American Civil War and WWII (America-centic story and division). I'm sure that'll stur up some inspiration. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:19, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I'll probably redo the entire thing. As with Universe I feel I went in too irresponsibly. I don't know how to justify having most of Canada and Baja California under American control. So yeah, a lot of inspiration is needed, and I'll watch those shows, but currently there's no time for restarting such a large project, so I'm gonna wait a few months (or years :D) -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 13:21, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I'm helping out with an alternate history project over on another wiki, and we needed some help. What would the Afrikaners possibly name their state if they could establish one? Right now we're down to New Africa and New Orania. Any suggestions? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 01:16, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
They'll probably call it the Volkstaat (People's State). It also depends on where this state is. If it's located in the former ZAR, it would be the Transvaal (South African Republic) and if it's in the former OFS, it would be the Oranje Vreistaat (Orange Free State). -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 11:37, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
Also have a look at this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_Republics) for locations and names. But I'd say Volkstaat is a safe bet, depending on ideology (as it would need to be nationalistic for that to work). -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 11:39, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks. The premise is that a colony was set up on Venus following 1994, and the work was financed by Afrikaners seeking to flee the country. Seriously, there was like a half a million population dip with White South Africans (predominately Afrikaners) after 1994. I mean, I know your people were scared of retailiation, but dang. That's like the entire population of Sacremento or Port Elizabeth picking up is leaving the country. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 16:44, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps at the time, yes, they were acting emotionally instead of reasonably; but if you're a liberty loving person, you'd wanna get the hell out of dodge here. Especially whites, who are slowly, but surely, becoming second class citizens (who pay first class taxes), should leave. I don't blame any of them. Can't wait to leave, personally :D
Well to each their own (as weird a choice as it may be). As for Venus, this is the project I'm helping out with. There's a ton of science used to support the project, with the usage of a planetoid as the reason for Venus' habitability. It was supported to have slowed Venus' rotation, preventing the runaway greenhouse effect that transformed the planet into Hell. Elegently-speaking that is. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:14, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
Can I use EcruFox in my new conworld? - Xxstormmxx
Sure, but it needs to qualify entirely with the generic page. If you want to change certain details, don't be afraid to ask, and I'll decide. Good luck with your new conworld! -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 21:06, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
Hi Super Warmonkey.
So I'm working on two massive projects. One is Hyperjump Universe and the other isn't posted yet, it's a realistic planet conworld called Terrum. I'm still working on the setting for Terrum as it will either be set in the 2030s or in a steampunk setting but with modern technology, or a mix of both.
The point is, they're both a bit big to have on a wiki so I'm considering joining Wattpad and posting Terrum there once a good portion is done, especially because I intend to use Terrum as the setting for short stories one I do some more. Do you think people would read it if I wrote the conworld in book format, sort of like a fictional encylopedia? Storm 17:50, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
I'd advise using Conworlds for the setting and Wattpad for the stories. Conworlding is actually something that authors do for their stories and makes the way we do it (making conworlds and not making stories) very awkward and unorthodox. But this is a great place for an encyclopedia about your setting. You won't really come close to wiki format if you're looking for an information store. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:26, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
Well I'll probably do a mix of both. I think I'll use the wiki as a main place and then have a more condensed guidebook and publish that online. The short stories will be published on Wattpad most likely. Storm 19:14, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
Future World country
I heard that FW was a bit more active now, so can I make a country for it? I had this idea where Brazil get's taken over by Overwatch and they take over parts of South America and then set sights on Europe after recovering from a really bad economy. Could I reserve Brazil and Peru as land for my country? Storm 21:45, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
Well, Future World isn't active, but it has more potential to be reactivated since it was left in a relatively stable state. But sure, you can reserve Brazil and Peru for your nations if it complies with all the rules. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 21:49, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll work on the nation soon. Storm 21:59, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
I added the base page and I'm working on expanding it now. You can check it out here. Storm 22:27, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
Super Bowl Commercial
 I don't know if you watched the Super Bowl or not, the game was highly uninteresting. But Coca-Cola produced this and It reminded me of South Africa's anthem, with all the languages being represented. Oddly, a lot of Americans are angry over it. It made my mother cry. ---Sunkist- (talk) 18:43, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
That's really beautiful. Those upset about it are the very people who need to get the most painful cramps up their asses. If some gets upset over tolerance and brotherhood across language barriers, they should consider killing themselves. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 19:08, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
Morality is determined by numbers, not individuals. You can't have one without the other no matter how moral you think or want it to be. Just because you say something is moral doesn't make it moral. I'm more into the logical aspect of the argument. My view is that you want to live here, you need to speak the language. Without that, you end up encouraging self-segreation into communities that do speak your language, and that ends up leading to more racial tensions. Homogenity is simply better and safer than multiculturalism. Seriously, I never seen any multiculture nation survive in the long-term without any major racial divisions that continously endanger the safety of the nation or a group of people. Austria-Hungary was hacked apart by it after centuries of internal strife. The US and UK are on the same road (Latinos and the Scots for example). Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:27, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
Needless to say, I beg to differ. If the majority of Germans found slaughtering Jews to be fine and dandy, it would be immoral. If the majority of white Americans in the Slave Era enjoyed the idea of slavery and free labor, it is still immoral. If ten people in a room decide to kill the eleventh, it's still immoral. I'd rather hear their argument against people singing America the Beautiful in different languages and then I'm gonna have myself a nice laugh at their batshit crazy social conservatism. Singing a song in different languages poses a threat to nobody. Allowing other people to go about their shit without bothering you poses a threat to nobody. If you feel bothered by every little thing, whether you're in a majority or not, it's your own personal problem to deal with alone and perhaps with a psychiatrist.
And you know how I feel about English. It's can, and must, be the global language of politics and business. Besides that, it has no authority. Its speakers have no right nor jurisdiction to decide what language other people speak or sing. If Coca Cola wants to make an ad with a bunch of consenting individuals taking part to celebrate the fact that God made every person unique (or if you're feeling atheistic, that no two persons are the same, ever), then they can. Those who feel upset and angered have nothing better to do and they, my friend, pose the threat to society. They are bored, they don't know what's going on around them, and they are focusing on trivialities rather than looking to fix, you know, actual problems. If they want homogeneity, they can move into large gated communities and isolate themselves from reality and inbreed until their children's brains start leaking out of their ears.
Multicultural nations don't survive because the bigoted batshit crazy social conservatives don't know what to focus on and keep their noses out of other people's business. You don't blame multiculturalism; you blame the reactionaries. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 21:44, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
Someone said something that made so much sense. What the Germans and slaveowners did wasn't immoral since they saw it as moral. They had the backing of the majority, which made it moral. The only reason it was no longer moral was the fact that others stepped in made it immoral, mostly through force. Paul said that where there is no law, man will make one for himself. So morality is clearly a man-made concept which reflects the views of the society that makes them. Your morality is not my morality, the same my morality is not Fallout's morality. The only way your morality would trump mine is if you and a million other people said that it was acceptable in enforced that line of belief. In this case, that line is evenly divided, between those who think it was wrong and those who think it was right. If a million people say your belief that America the Beautiful can be sung in any language is wrong, no matter how right you think you are, or how right it should be regardless of yourself, that one million voices trump you no matter what. It's just that simple. That is the case now. No psychiatrist is going to see you if the psychiatrist himself agrees with the majority view.
Now, there are few reactionary politicians in Sweden, which is quite clearly the most liberal nation on this planet, with a massive atheist population. How do you explain the government and the population's strong and quite hostile stance toward immigration? Surely a liberal nation such as Sweden with no religious basis for their beliefs would not possibly be so hostile to foreigners right? Look at Britain and France. It's the liberals pushing the anti-burka laws, not the conservatives, and it's the liberals who are saying this mess. So it isn't the fault of conservatives or reactionaries, its the widely unaccepted view of multicultualism, the belief that you should accept someone no matter how uncomfortable they make you and all the people around you feel. People don't like that idea, nor do foreigners like the idea that they have to adhere to the majority's laws which require intergration for the benefit of all, and that's why their fighting against it.
Tell me Super, is it not reasonable to ask someone to adhere to the laws of your country if they want to stay, and then involve yourself in their business when they refuse? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:23, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
- You're a majoritarian and that's fine. I am an individualist and thus don't give the same weight to mere numbers as you do. If a genius in a room says 1+1=2 and five idiots says it equals 11, then 2 is still the correct ("moral") answer. If Sunkist, Fallout, you and I were in a room ("society") now and we decided to rape and kill you, then it would still be immoral. It is wrong. Human common sense has developed far enough through the trial and error of history to adequately and objectively distinguish between what is right and wrong. It is now only through knee jerk emotional reactions that people still want to argue about it.
- So no, the million voices don't trump me. A lot of societies may be structured that way but that doesn't mean I'll simply adjust my view to it. Change can only occur when people with a different idea start speaking out and convincing others ("u'll neva convince X Y or Z" is an invalid argument). My view, and the view of many, many others, is that there must be tolerance and there must be liberty for all. We may be a minority in some places and may be a majority in others, but that's irrelevant. We know that not seeking to harm or impede on the private business of another person is moral and thus we'll stick to it.
- And you know just as well as I do that the words "liberal" and "conservative" have different meanings across borders, especially differing between America and Europe. And you know equally well what I mean when I say a batshit crazy social conservative. How they label themselves is irrelevant to me.
- And it's not unreasonable. You can ask. They can refuse and you can refuse them entry. It would be atrocious if your laws are unjust and immoral, but you could refuse them entry and citizenship nonetheless. It's not your right, but it's the way society has unfortunately turned out. But likely, and to the point, there is no law in the United States that forces people to sing America the Beautiful only in English. If there was such a law that was widely supported, I would not love America the way I do. This flag on my wall behind me would have not been there and I would have used small American flags to wipe my ass with.
- Furthermore, the only way any person can justifiably, and morally, be involved in the business of another, is by their consent or if they are infringing upon your right to life (physical safety thus included), liberty (your freedom to do exactly what they are doing or anything else), or property (what you own). If America the Beautiful were an owned song (I am unsure of whether or not it is), then the owner can justifiably intervene and say his property rights have been violated. But the American public does not own the song, thus no natural rights were violated thus nobody has the authority to get involved. It was a song during a commercial break by one of the largest American companies ever sung by arguably proud Americans.
- And lastly, I've seen an overwhelmingly positive reaction to the commercial. Here and there the odd batshit crazy social conservative said his nonsensical crap but mostly people thought it was beautiful or simply didn't care. So in any case, I believe the majority in this case agrees with me - leave the song be. But again, it's irrelevant. No harm was done (and being offended isn't harm done, it's just your own personal problem; go see a psychiatrist or deal with it), no action should be taken and life can go on.
Being a third generation American, my grandmother has experienced the xenophobic attitude of conservatives, and I will always support immigration into this country, those whom will pledge to the flag, and will want to learn the laws and the commercial language should be allowed to enter freely. No quotas, no religious discrimination, just if you can communicate, if you can pledge, you are an American. ---Sunkist- (talk) 03:06, February 4, 2014 (UTC)
I fully agree. There is no natural obligation on anyone to culturally conform. Even if they don't learn the language, it is at their own peril (they won't be able to function in society). What they do or sing or how they sing it in the private domain is of no concern to anyone else. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 07:38, February 4, 2014 (UTC)
I want "batshit crazy social conservatives" who get offended by things like this instead of actual issues facing the world to go and see a psychiatrist, since being offended is a personal, psychological problem, which people should deal with outside of the public realm. If you consider yourself a batshit crazy social conservative and was offended by the commercial, then yes. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 16:32, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
Clans of Feb
Hey super, u want to work with Clans of Feb: my new sci-fi project. I hear u worked on Future World so maybe you can help me, sky and local. Here is the link if you'd like:http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/The_Clans_of_Feb Ratc3333 Here, Prepare for Combat (talk) 00:26, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
Hey, of course I'll help, but I can't contribute a nation. I am having trouble balancing my existing projects as it is and balancing that with university stuff. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 14:37, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
Your conworld work is great i love it. How do you make the 'coat of arms' and flag? - LiamJaco1998lfc
Thank you! :)
For the flag, I simply took an snazzy picture of George Washington I found on the internet and put it dead center in the French tricolor. The Coat of Arms (which is an old CoA of Alabama I believe) was given to me by User:-Sunkist-, and I modified it using Gimp 2.0, with colors that I preferred and put another image (the blue and red shield) I had found on the internet in the middle of it, as to be a personal touch. It's not professional Photoshop work, but I am content.
Request for Adminship
Hey there, I've been wanting to re-do one of my projects from the ground up, and I hate to put the task of deleting a bunch of old pages onto one of the Admins. Can you make me an admin so I can manage my own pages? Thanks a million Kavanagh (talk) 02:53, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Hi! Unfortunately it would be impractical to have more admins than we already have with such a small active population. Don't be bothered by the workload. Simply put your pages into the 'category:delete' or rename them to the new page you want after you manually deleted the content! :) -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 17:58, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Hello there. I was looking through wikis and stumbled across this one, before reading up on your Future World project, which intrigued me due to its interesting concept and ideas. I was wondering if I could create my own nation, which would be made up of the region of modern day Turkey, and formed from a successful coup d'etat initiated by the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PPK) in 1989. Any feedback over this request will be appreciated. --Cheers The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions 11:10, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I wouldn't recommend it. In FW's current, inactive and confusing state, it would only lead to your world being denied its full potential. Nothing has happened in Future World in more than a year. I recommend starting it as an independent project. It seems pretty interesting! Good luck. :)
Re: Future World
Can you please ban this vandal? They seem to be constantly spamming pages and have resorted to making personal attacks against me. --Cheers The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions 18:37, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, I have blocked him for a day. Please correct the block. --Rain (Wall) 18:52, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
Pardon me, SWM.
Hey, what do you think of Usonia? Totalitarian enough for you? I'm planning to getting back into the writing business after reading it, and some some idea of what you think about it. If you didn't mind of course. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 18:37, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
You should definitely continue it. I'd like to read about the ruling party and its ideology. Fascism has come to fascinate me quite a bit. -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:48, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
Not appealing! Interesting - yes! :D
Studies are going alright. Wrote my public law exam today. One more to go, then I have a few weeks of freedom. How are things on your side? -Signed by Warmonkey (talk • contribs) 18:52, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
this not for blocked anybody i just saiding that a lot of people like commuist on this wikia wich is a joke do you like commusim where you can go die form hunger king Trevor 1 of wales (talk) 22:49, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
- After this lovely remark, I have lost my patience. I ask that you please block Kingtrevor11–he has been nothing but disruptive, annoying, and unreasonable. After countless of warnings and reiterations from not only me but the others from Altverse, he has kept on harassing and bothering us. The fact that he has been blocked for similar behavior on other wikis and his continued behavior here shows that he will not stop. JustinVuong | Talk | World 05:40, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
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Solar System Project
Ah thanks! Since my grandmother gave me how laptop (it's amazing), I should finally be able to use the Space Engine program you showed me a while back. I can finally get a crack at that "revolutionary" technology you South Africans were talking about. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 21:47, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw you were playing Elite: Dangerous, so I thought you may have upgraded! That engine is at en.spaceengine.org -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 22:56, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, and I hope you didn't mind, but I upgraded the infobox for the Allied States to the more streamlined version. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:17, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
I don't mind, thanks. But I like the Wikipedia-look on the older "manual" version. Can you recreate that version into the streamlined template? I.e. with the lines and stuff. -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 23:40, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
I tried a while back to get it that way, copying the exact code from Wikipedia itself, but it appears that Wikia's code overrides the cosmetic points of Wikipedia templates with one of its own. However, if you use Monobook, then you get the exact infobox look from Wikipedia. In fact. all of Wikiapedia's templates appear as they are suppose to if you use the Monobook layout instead of Wikia layout. To be honest, the whole site looks much nicer in Monobook. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:43, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
The problem with Monobook is that it overhauls everything I have gotten used to. I like the current recent activity page. The Monobook one is so dirty. -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 19:40, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. But until Wikia decides to overhaul it and make it more receptive to modernization (it uses an old version of Wikipedia for Christ's sake), I don't believe there is much use talking about it, unless you're into firebombing offices. That's why I use IIwiki for personal projects or my own sandbox wiki. However, the activity page seems to bring the wiki to life, so I guess I'm suck with Wikia. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:43, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Also, I just realized what you meant by "streamlined template" of the ol' lines one we were talking about. That template is here on my notes page in the "Other" section at the top. Sorry about that. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:45, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I think that's the one. Merging it with the country infobox would be epic. But it's not really an issue. I guess the onus is mostly on Wikia to overhaul their themes system. -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 23:49, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do about the template, but I don't think I can make any promises about it. But you're right. After Wikia's little "super font" project (which I finally reversed successfully), I've lost all hope for any serious changes in theme design from Wikia. Well, at least any that aren't ugly like that font one. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 00:18, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
Politicial idea feedback
Hey, you are a fan of political ideology from what I've seen, so I wanted to get your opinion on one that I've been working on called dirigism. Does it sound okay? Does it look like a bunch of rambling? This is a copy-pasta by the way. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:10, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
I like it. But isn't there already a philosophy that believes in these values? It seems oddly familiar, but I cannot place a name on it. If not, then great job; I can see you put a lot of effort into it. -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 18:34, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
Probably some or other offshoot of fascism, but not fascism itself. As I learned recently, fascism isn't really anything specific, and depends more on the time and intentions of its supporters. Very ad hoc. Dirigism is probably closer to National Socialism in many ways. -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 20:22, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, much of the work is ad hoc in many ways, I have to organize it at some point. But dirigism pulls from multiple ideologies, such as fascism, Nazism, communism, liberialism, conservativism. The idea was to incorporate all of the good ideas from all ideologies, while cutting down on the bad ones. However, considering that dirigism was built around the idea of taking the family unit and expanding it to a nation's population, which fascism, in a sense, sought to do more or less by creating a highly patriarchal government (keeping women in the kitchen, putting men to work in the military and factories as protectors and providers). So dirigism isn't a copy of one idea, but draws from many of them. Nice to see you like the concept. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:21, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
I have a proposition for you. As the other person who contributed the most to Atlion, what do you think of reviving the project? We could ping the other users involved and see if they're interested, and if not, blank their states. Atlion was probably the collaborative project that I think had the most potential for creating a "real world" feel, and I think it's worth taking up again. Let me know what you think.
The reason I personally stopped being involved in Atlion was due to scale. I don't know if you can remember this, but when I found out my entire State of Broker was about the size of greater New York, everything fell through the floor. I envisioned Broker to be at least as large as New Hampshire or Maine and most of my articles reflected that. Instead, the outer suburbs of my capital Port James would physically have been very close to the border of Statesport.
But I am definitely open to reviving the project if we perhaps enlarge the landmass or instead expropriate a large swath of land from an actual place. We did try another real world project called The Elysian Project (TEP) where we created a whole new planetary society based in the current era if you'd be interested in that instead.
Well, I'm still around. We can reboot the project and start fresh. Heck, my mapmaking skills have vastly improved since then. I can make a whole new world for any projects we have planned, along with time zones, climate maps, and topography. Plus, I'm far less confrontational and more open to working with others (lots of self-improvement since Atlion). That ought to make things a wee bit better. So I wouldn't mind giving a new project a spin. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:12, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
I sort of want to do a sci-fi sort of thing. Similar in backstory to the Elysian Project, but without losing everything. A set of human colonization projects launched to a habitable planet far, far away, taking a few hundred years of shifts in stasis and losing contact with Earth, but upon landing on the planet, keeping the culture, language, ideals, technology, etc, and developing them along the journey while adapting to life on a hostile planet (perhaps with non-sentient alien life causing them misery). What do you guys think? Woogers - talk () 22:53, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
I'm definitely up for it, although my activity levels will be somewhat substantially below what they used to be. I hope we can make this work on a more detail-based level, though. I have grown somewhat tired of the war and excitement scene and prefer developing intricate details (often to the disadvantage of my greater project), mostly in the legal system. I don't know if we can be more productive working on one country (which can still be on a foreign planet) rather than each once again representing a megasuperduper state. -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 19:08, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
Well we could explore the idea of the hyperstate, as was the case with the Elysian Project. It'll give all of us the space needed to work on detail and non-military related aspects of our states without the issues of the past. Atlion didn't work because we couldn't work together. Perhaps this is the right direction to go in? Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:38, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
A hyperstate is basically a continent-sized nation, kinda like if you had the European Union or African Union as fully-fledged states. I'm suggesting hyperstates for the purpose of focusing on detail, allowing contributors to join without having to deal with a ton of empty space or template nations around them, and giving us the ability to work with the few users that we have working on the project. As for the blog, I'll handle it. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 19:51, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
You have been summoned
Woogers clarified his position on the project, and it will become a single-nation project as he clarified to me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 05:27, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
Critique on "Dirigism: A Thesis On Humanity's Future"
Hey, I want your honest opinion on this if you have the time. It started out as a simply detail enhancing move, but now it has grown into a beast of its own. Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 23:22, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Hey. Sorry for the late reply. Pretty busy around here. That is pretty long - but seems interesting nonetheless. I'll give it a read as soon as I can and get back to you! -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 22:56, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
I wanted to get your opinion on a quick idea of a possible world that I had in my head, but I didn't know if I should go through with it due to copyright policies and other stuff.
Basically, I've been playing Fallout 4 lately, and I had this idea of what if the various factions of the series (Brotherhood of Steel, New California Republic, etc.) become a spacefaring nations. They expand throughout the Solar System, and discover FTL travel. After expanding outwards into neighboring systems, they encounter another Solar System. Except this one is the one that contains present day Earth.
I've been wanting to do this for a while. But I wanted to get somebody elses opinion regarding the matter. My basic issue is that I don't know if this falls within the purpose of the wiki. Or if it violates any rules.
Hi! I don't think it violates any rules whatsoever. Very interesting premise. Like two Earths and the Fallout Earth's people discover Real Earth? Definitely something I played around in my mind with with other popular shows and movies. I'd love to see what you do with it! -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 22:41, January 13, 2016 (UTC)
A recent blog shows that this has been affecting all of us (or so it seems). The search bar doesn't work for me on any browser, and others including Bowwow828 and perrycorn has also said that they have been experiencing the same issues as well. I am not aware of any code changes as I have not touched the wiki CSS or JS in months so I have no idea what's going on either. I've been looking into the issue to see if other wikis have experienced it before but I haven't been able to find a solid one. centrist16 | Talk | World | 22:40, June 4, 2016 (UTC)
It has come to my attention, that the quality of this administration has become insufficient. It has become neglected, and the content has continued to decline. While I'm supportive of new content and the inclusion of new editors, such development should be done appropriately. Because of the content that is presented on our activity page, I believe, continuously discourages quality editors from entering the community. Our wiki has become fractured, and collaboration is almost impossible because most editors are unresponsive.
I believe that the current admins, all 13, should step down and reorganize. Truly dedicated editors should be in this position so that they may coordinate a cohesive community that provides responsible guidelines for new editors. I remember when I was new to this community, my content was sub par but due to the guiding hand of the community and actively wanting to collaborate with other editors I developed. Conworlds is not what it used to be, and a breath of fresh air needs to come without intrusion from the previous, now inactive, administration.
Thank you. --Horned King 22:09, July 7, 2016 (UTC)
Conworlds is the only substantive world building community of its kind on the internet.
In the past, when there have been big pushes for reform, it has almost always amounted to a desire to regulate content. As an often lone voice who opposed this bureaucratization, I don't think it will be wise of me to step down and risk seeing Conworlds go from incredibility inactive, to completely dead because new content creators have no desire to meet standards set by highly-experienced editors such as ourselves. As I have said in the past, Conworlds should be open to anyone and everyone who wants to engage in world-building. We are not a company selling a particular product which must be of a particular standard. Instead, we provide an open platform.
My inactivity in editing shouldn't create the impression that I'm gone. As far as administration goes, I'm always available to engage when called upon.
Interesting initiative nonetheless, though. If we can get admins who aren't simply inactive, but completely gone, to leave, perhaps we will not appear to be completely confused as an administration. -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 23:39, July 7, 2016 (UTC)
Question on the Canadian Fascist Party (SWM) Logo
May I have permission to use an alternate version of the logo without the Swastika for a political party in Canada.
- Haha! I pop in here every now and then I feel some inspiration. ;) -Signed by Warmonkey (Administrator) (talk • contribs • worlds) 19:30, May 24, 2018 (UTC)
Not sure if you already know this or not, but Conworlds is now over on Miraheze. Feel free to join us. It's where all the cool kids are at. :P Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 22:55, November 24, 2018 (UTC)
About your articles on Panau...
I come from the Just Cause wikia and am a contributor to it, and I am a major die-hard fan for Just Cause 2. I came across your articles about Panau and I was blown away. It looked very convincing and very realistic. I figured out a lot of it was artificial until I started asking for sources. Maybe it was real and I missed reading something in my Just Cause 2 PRIMA guide, or maybe I had to read the JC2 instruction manual again, who knows. Either way, I was blown away from the unmatched information and I thought it was a spectacular read! You have quite the talent and mind, based off of how anyone unwitting could perceive it as real.
Good effin job, man. I like those articles. If I was ever set in charge for making Just Cause 2 Anniversary or something, I would use that information to build onto Panau's lore and character.